Electrical competence

[Cbuk2k2]

Evening folks,

I'm in the process of starting a plumbing and heating business, for some fairly long winded and boring reasons I want to employ a couple of guys from the outset. Plumbers don't seem to bother with any sort of electrical competence, I'd quite like to stay out of jail so was wondering if anyone could advise a basic electrical short course for the very limited electrical work they are likely to do. Essentially it will be connecting a flex to a FCU, possibly swapping a shower or basic fault finding. A fair bit of it is ELV these days which is reassuring.

Cheers
Dave

 

[littlespark]

Get yourself pally with a small one man band electrician.
They might be thankful for a few small jobs like that.

 

[Cbuk2k2]

Get yourself pally with a small one man band electrician.
They might be thankful for a few small jobs like that.

Its not really a practical option to have them beholden to another trade. Heating and ventilation is 80% solenoid valves and controllers.

I'm electrical/instruments by trade and happy to teach them I'm just looking for a formal tick box which doesn't involve them spending 4 years completing an electrical apprenticeship

 

[Dustydazzler]

Domesticated installer scheme

Choose your poison

Niceic

napit

Elecsa

Storma

 

[Cbuk2k2]

Domesticated installer scheme

Choose your poison

Niceic

napit

Elecsa

Storma

So your telling me every plumber is registered under a domestic installer scheme? I might believe some plumbers are ignoring the rules but I know guys working for British Gas etc aren't so there must be a more appropriate route.

 

[Deleted member 105166]

Perhaps turn it on it’s head - take on a qualified electrician who can notify via a CPS and send him/her on a 4 week course to quickly learn the wet pants stuff. Essentially it’s just bending and joining bits of copper and plastic pipe, isn’t it?

 

[Baddegg]

Perhaps turn it on it’s head - take on a qualified electrician who can notify via a CPS and send him/her on a 4 week course to quickly learn the wet pants stuff. Essentially it’s just bending and joining bits of copper and plastic pipe, isn’t it?

At least you can smell a gas leak...

 

[Baddegg]

Perhaps turn it on it’s head - take on a qualified electrician who can notify via a CPS and send him/her on a 4 week course to quickly learn the wet pants stuff. Essentially it’s just bending and joining bits of copper and plastic pipe, isn’t it?

What they doing for the other 3 weeks Tony....

 

[Dustydazzler]

What they doing for the other 3 weeks Tony....

Learning how to tile and suck their teeth

 

[Baddegg]

Learning how to suck their teeth

Never met a wet pants with all they front teeth....Cept for the posh wet pants (gassafe) they all got teeth like joey Essex...

 

[Cbuk2k2]

Perhaps turn it on it’s head - take on a qualified electrician who can notify via a CPS and send him/her on a 4 week course to quickly learn the wet pants stuff. Essentially it’s just bending and joining bits of copper and plastic pipe, isn’t it?

I'm a fairly experienced industrial instrument/electrical technician with plenty of experience in E&I in lots of situations. It's obviously a rather different set of rules in the domestic world.

I'm just looking for a simple scheme where the guys can be shwon to be able to safely fit or test a solenoid valve, or poke about on a PCB with a fluke.

 

[Dustydazzler]

I dont think such a course is in existence

Dragons den moment

 

[Baddegg]

I'm a fairly experienced industrial instrument/electrical technician with plenty of experience in E&I in lots of situations. It's obviously a rather different set of rules in the domestic world.

I'm just looking for a simple scheme where the guys can be shwon to be able to safely fit or test a solenoid valve, or poke about on a PCB with a fluke.

If it’s domestic you’ll need to notify some works, that’s the whole point, why don’t you contact the schemes and ask them what you need and from there are what the short course providers can do for you?

 

[Andy78]

Essentially it will be connecting a flex to a FCU, possibly swapping a shower or basic fault finding. A fair bit of it is ELV these days which is reassuring.

Cheers
Dave

I daresay that if you are experienced that you could teach your guys safe isolation procedure and basic connection skills.
When it comes to fault finding then a basic knowledge of electrical systems associated with plumbing would be needed, which would be something that could be assessed at interview stage. Many experienced heating installers will possess these skills.
If box ticking is your aim then which are those boxes ? Do you have any specific requirements from insurance firms ?

 

[Cbuk2k2]

If it’s domestic you’ll need to notify some works, that’s the whole point, why don’t you contact the schemes and ask them what you need and from there are what the short course providers can do for you?

I've spoken with NICEIC who basically said you needed to serve a 27 year apprenticeship and Gas Safe who basically said it'll be alright mate electics are a piece of ----.

I'm not wanting them to complete notifiable work, happy to pay a spark for that but they need to be ale to fault find and install trade specific components.

If Dorris rings me and asks to have her zone valve changed would you really expect they to require an spark and a plumber?