UK Electrical oven installation

[Deleted member 122464]

Just purchased a new oven which has a 13amp fused plug attached. The kitchen has a cooker terminal which has 6mm cable coming from it. The existing oven has a 2.5mm flex (no plug). The hob is separate and also has a 2.5mm flex. Both oven and hob have been chocolate boxed to the 6mm cable - I did not do this!

So I want to be able to plug my new oven in and use the existing hob. The hob specs are 250v and 6kw - mania says to use 2.5m cable which is what the previous owner of the house has done. The new oven is less than 3kw.

Is it ok and proper to place a double gang 13amp fused socket on the end of the 6mm cable which comes from the terminal. Then fix a 13amp plug to the hob - attach the socket to the wall and have both oven and hob plugged in. This preserves the existing terminal in case the hob breaks and we need to hard wire one in the future. Is this ok to do?

 

[buzzlightyear]

Chop off the mouled plug a the warranties goes through the window.

 

[telectrix]

Chop off the mouled plug a the warranties goes through the window.

no it does not. warranties can only be refused if you have done something which is detrimental to the appliance.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Don’t chop off melded plug tops . the manufacturer won’t like it if you ever have to call them out

If I ever get a job where the customer insists I cut off the melded plug top I get them to sign a waiver saying I have informed them that this action could likely invalidate any warranty

 

[DPG]

Cutting off a moulded plug does not invalidate your warranty or rights.

 

[buzzlightyear]

Chop off the mouled plug a the warranties goes through the window

what it should say dont chop off the moulded plug .so ner.
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a kitchen fitter told the client he has to cut the moulded plug off a fridge freezer and told the client if there is problems he would sort it out . has you well know when a moulded plugs on the end of appliances it their for a reason .

 

[Midwest]

Have a read of this, re moulded plugs;

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what it should say dont chop off the moulded plug .so ner.
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kitchen fitter told the client he has to cut the moulded plug off a fridge freezer and told the client if there is problems he would sort it out . has you well know when a moulded plugs on the end of appliances it their for a reason .

Say what?

 

[buzzlightyear]

Say what

what, just saying ,that what the kitchen fitter told me on the job and works for a company .

 

[DPG]

I don't see why some people think that moulded plugs are something special. They are used because it is a cheaper way of manufacturing as opposed to someone fitting a traditional type of 13A plug.

If you have a plug that is damaged, there is no issue in replacing it.

 

[Midwest]

what, just saying ,that what the kitchen fitter told me on the job and works for a company .

It was you last sentence that confused me.

 

[Zerax]

...as you well know when a moulded plugs on the end of appliances it their for a reason .

Totally agree Buzz... All EU directives MUST be adhered to !

 

[Dan]

I think the key here is whether homeowners are sticking plugs on the end of things with the wrong wiring setup or wrong fuse etc.

And that's what the warranties will be there for. If the homeowner has screwed something by messing with it, it's going to void the warranty no matter whether it was the actual reason a fault occurred.

Whereas when YOU guys (the electricians) switch a plug around, it probably is due to a repair or whatever. So you're within warranty terms in most cases I'd assume.

That definition is what would be argued in court until the cows come home when a homeowner is trying to get a large firm to pay up for something that's broken.

We hope manufacturers honour their warranties when any fault comes about. But we know as consumers that not all do.

So both sides of the argument are right really.

I think each warranty would need studying before anybody could actually say what would class as a void of it. And we've not got a single one added to this here little thread on the web.

 

[DPG]

You will see in many appliance manuals instructions and diagrams for fitting a mains plug.

Also I think Midwest posted information/replies from several companies who he contacted some time ago regarding this issue. I'm sure a search will find the thread.

 

[Midwest]

#21 (three word thing)

 

[Dustydazzler]

I was told that appliances that come with a BS standard 13a plug top attached then it should not be removed as it will invalidate any manufactures warranty

I most certainly don't want to be the fall guy for an invalidated warranty when X customers £400 oven goes wrong and the manufacture refuse to repair it because someone cut the plug top off...

 

[Midwest]

I was told that appliances that come with a BS standard 13a plug top attached then it should not be removed as it will invalidate any manufactures warranty

I most certainly don't want to be the fall guy for an invalidated warranty when X customers £400 oven goes wrong and the manufacture refuse to repair it because someone cut the plug top off...

That’s a bit of a myth I’m afraid . If in doubt email the manufacturer. I found that most are not bothered. I did read somewhere , that moulded plugs are used to simplify the manufacturing processes and has nothing to do with safety.