Electrician walked out - worth involving NICEIC?

[PeaceLily]

Long story short - our electrician walked out 2/3rds of the way through a complete rewire including a new fuse box. Is it worth complaining to NICEIC? I've got another electrician willing to finish the job; NICEIC have said they can't help with my complaint if that's the case but if the original electrician doesn't come back (he's not planning to), then where does that leave me? Any advice gratefully received

 

[buzzlightyear]

The moral of this story the some one Fluke up. So once the donkey kicked the door way open and escaped then it's down to the person locked the donkey in the beginning,

 

[LukeD]

And that is the million dollar question! If I knew then what I know now I would’ve PM’d the renovation myself - much less stress and I wouldn’t have lost most of the tradespeople he got in for me. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

Bin the PM, Talk to the electrician and see if 2 calm heads can sort out whats required and life goers on ?

 

[buzzlightyear]

I had a customer once who talked to me if I was a ant, guess what moved on.

 

[plugsandsparks]

Top tip FWIW, if you really dont want to *iss off an electrician dont do the following:

1. Decide on outside lights / water feature / Summerhouse, after drives have been laid, plastering has been finished etc
2. In other words if you need extra ccts internally after plastering or externally after concrete / tarmac has been laid - expect the worst.
3. Dont change your mind on recessed lighting after its been installed, do your research
4. Dont have all the sockets fitted and then rock up with fitted furniture which covers half of them up, design your fitted furniture before letting the electrician loose.
5. Make sure the electrician is aware of ALL electrical devices that are to be installed, e.g. if you have under floor heating wet or dry make sure the electrician is aware
6. Tell the electrician of the kitchen and bathroom designs they are not Psychic..

I could go one but generally if the client is making requirements on the fly, it will end in tears. Ditto for other trades like kitchen and bathrooms and heating / ventilation and A/c

AND BREATHE

 

[ipf]

And that is the million dollar question! If I knew then what I know now I would’ve PM’d the renovation myself - much less stress and I wouldn’t have lost most of the tradespeople he got in for me. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

That's it. Not all the shysters are out to make a quick buck.

 

[UNG]

Unfortunately there are too many tv shows shows where the interior designer appears to rule the roost making unilateral decisions without consulting the client or the clients are recommended to appoint a project manager, ok some of these projects turn out ok or you never get to see the fall out after the cameras finish rolling but there are also those jobs where the client has a fall out with some or all of those onsite resulting in a change of site manager, builder or other trades to progress the project to it's end

Site harmony can easily be destroyed by a bad site manager / client who doesn't communicate any changes to all the trades involved or materials don't turn up on time as dead time costs money and someone will be expected to pay for dead time or the trades will move on to the next paying job

Not done it for many years now but the "wouldn't it be nice if" triplicate book was a useful tool as any changes to the working plan could be documented and signed by the client, architect, site manager they got one copy, another copy was then priced to show any cost savings or increase and sent to the client, architect or project manager to issue an order or instruction to carry out the change or not and the last copy stayed in the book or was filed in our site diary. The best part was it kept our job costs tracked throughout and the client could keep within their budget or agree and accept any increased costs for the alterations

 

[Petej999]

Why did the Electrician walk away? your interference or what?

Not our interference (I found that question quite rude tbh). The fact that his team didn’t follow my very clear instructions and did their own thing is a completely different conversation and not the reason he walked out. Reading between the lines I think it was mainly a breakdown between him and our PM and we took the brunt of it. We’ve been left with a fusebox which has a sign on it saying not to turn on any more switches so no idea if it’s safe. All quite sad really

Sorry you took Umbridge at my question

 

[buzzlightyear]

Sorry you took Umbridge at my question

It's personally expected to ask a question
Has we do not the full story.
We are not judge or jury just to know the facts.

 

[brianmoooore]

6. Tell the electrician of the kitchen and bathroom designs

And then take the designs back to the customer (not PM, if there is one), just before you do anything irrevocable, make sure the customer fully understands them, and confirm that these are the FINAL designs, with absolutely no changes to follow, however insignificant those changes might appear to be by the customer.
The above has served me well on many occasions, when I've discovered I'm on 'kitchen plan A', while the kitchen designers are on 'kitchen plan D', with the installers on 'kitchen plan E'.
Customers have no concept that 'moving that wall unit a couple of inches to the right' puts the fixing brackets for the cabinet right over the safe zone chase for that socket below.

 

[LukeD]

Another reason why 1 x man set ups can work so well. They know whats going on and can work with a client easier . One of the best bathroom guys I know refuses to work with anyone else(Labourer etc ) and will not work alongside other trades. He is excellent , booked about 9 months ahead always and earns a fortune

 

[Megawatt]

Long story short - our electrician walked out 2/3rds of the way through a complete rewire including a new fuse box. Is it worth complaining to NICEIC? I've got another electrician willing to finish the job; NICEIC have said they can't help with my complaint if that's the case but if the original electrician doesn't come back (he's not planning to), then where does that leave me? Any advice gratefully received

What a mess. Something is bad wrong with this project. Good luck

 

[PeaceLily]

What a mess. Something is bad wrong with this project. Good luck

Thank you very much. The PM has gone and things are moving along. We have a lovely local electrician to finish up

 

[baldelectrician]

Not our interference (I found that question quite rude tbh). The fact that his team didn’t follow my very clear instructions and did their own thing is a completely different conversation and not the reason he walked out. Reading between the lines I think it was mainly a breakdown between him and our PM and we took the brunt of it. We’ve been left with a fusebox which has a sign on it saying not to turn on any more switches so no idea if it’s safe. All quite sad really

This is something the NICIEC could deal with

If circuits are not safe then they should not have been connected.
This is a safety issue and the NICEIC can deal with it

 

[UNG]

This is something the NICIEC could deal with

If circuits are not safe then they should not have been connected.
This is a safety issue and the NICEIC can deal with it

I really love your optimism that an organisation like the NICEIC would something
I remember a posting from a member on this site a number of years ago over an installation done by an NICEIC contractor that was so bad it warranted a complaint to the NICEIC they took no action until another member on here at the time created a show of them on the NICEIC stand at one of the ELEX shows and they then took action and paid for all the remedial works

 

[LukeD]

I really love your optimism that an organisation like the NICEIC would something
I remember a posting from a member on this site a number of years ago over an installation done by an NICEIC contractor that was so bad it warranted a complaint to the NICEIC they took no action until another member on here at the time created a show of them on the NICEIC stand at one of the ELEX shows and they then took action and paid for all the remedial works

this 100% same for "Gas safe" The system in the uk is a joke