Elesca registration

[Guitarist]

hi no they were not aware that i did not actually install the cu, i cheated a bit and told them i did, also elecsa are fully aware that some applicants are just starting out and may not have work or certificates to show, so for the first assessment only they will allow 1 site and it can be at your own property.

Posting this on a public forum doesn't do our profession much good...

 

[RISElectrical]

Here's their advice;
'Prior to registration with a Part P Competent Person Scheme any work carried out should be notified to Building Control prior to the commencement of works. I will send you information about registration separately. After April 6 2013 and NVQ level 3 will be required, as current information stands'.
I take it that means paying a fee to my LBC (currently £400 + vat :laugh. NVQ3? I have a JIB card which proves my Approved Electrician Apprenticeship, does that cover that?

Requiring a NVQ3 is a step in the right direction IMO however it also needs to take into account those without an NVQ 3 but having a time served apprenticeship. I think that just having the 17th edition is stupid and doesn't show competence and as an above post suggests the assessments are easy to get round proving competence

 

[Midwest]

I know that this has been said before, but this whole thing seems poorly thought through. I suspect there are many people in my position and others joining the industry from new, who want to work for themselves. Wouldn't it be a better way to verify person’s abilities in a more controlled way in a training centre and assessing them there. I can understand an electrician showing some of his/hers work for recertification, but not for initial assessment. These bodies charge enough, couldn’t they provide some centers,where you could attend install a CU for example, and be observed installing testing etc.

 

[Welchyboy]

I know that this has been said before, but this whole thing seems poorly thought through. I suspect there are many people in my position and others joining the industry from new, who want to work for themselves. Wouldn't it be a better way to verify person’s abilities in a more controlled way in a training centre and assessing them there. I can understand an electrician showing some of his/hers work for recertification, but not for initial assessment. These bodies charge enough, couldn’t they provide some centers,where you could attend install a CU for example, and be observed installing testing etc.

yes but surely thats where the problem lies, people coming into the trade from new with little or no experience and wanting to work on their own unsupervised in peoples houses straight away as no company will take them on

I think that if you hold a current JIB gold Card this would automatically pass you for your registration and first years practical assessment(still an office visit to check insurance etc)

this would be fair on decent sparks moving from employment to self-employment and also give otherwise competant but albeit moaning sparks a kick up the arris to do an NVQ3 and get the gold card sorted

 

[ste_miller21]

my advise is dont do it. I registered with Elecsa in December. cost over £600 for the assessment and insurance, then £50 on top of that for the certs from Elecsa. (on top youve got other outlays advertising upgrading tools etc) since December ive only had two jobs to the value of £80.

personally unless you are a proper time served spark with loads of contacts to pass you the work I'd have to way up the pros and cons.

ive made the wrong chose to register with Elecsa and its an expensive LOSS

 

[Octopus]

my advise is dont do it. I registered with Elecsa in December. cost over £600 for the assessment and insurance, then £50 on top of that for the certs from Elecsa. (on top youve got other outlays advertising upgrading tools etc) since December ive only had two jobs to the value of £80.

personally unless you are a proper time served spark with loads of contacts to pass you the work I'd have to way up the pros and cons.

ive made the wrong chose to register with Elecsa and its an expensive LOSS

So who would have been cheaper then?

and this experience also goes to show that you need to do you numbers before embarking on training, buying tools and joining schemes. Time after time people think they can get trained for a few quid, buy a few 2nd hand tools and do everything on the cheap! AND still make a living.

 

[ste_miller21]

i know i did it wrong, i trained through a local college, worked for local companies and bought bits of tools when needed and could afford. 18 months ago it was booming and started to plan taking the plunge. but since then jobs are hard to find and few and far between. ive only had a white goods company use me to connect cooker plates up.......

i do agree that experience is vital if not more vital than the actual qualification.......i am actually trying to advise against trying to trade without the right experience on the tools before hand

So who would have been cheaper then?

and this experience also goes to show that you need to do you numbers before embarking on training, buying tools and joining schemes. Time after time people think they can get trained for a few quid, buy a few 2nd hand tools and do everything on the cheap! AND still make a living.

 

[Sollyg]

Hi please can anybody email latest exam papers for 2382 60 questions paper
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Thank you

 

[Midwest]

yes but surely thats where the problem lies, people coming into the trade from new with little or no experience and wanting to work on their own unsupervised in peoples houses straight away as no company will take them on

I think that if you hold a current JIB gold Card this would automatically pass you for your registration and first years practical assessment(still an office visit to check insurance etc)
this would be fair on decent sparks moving from employment to self-employment and also give otherwise competant but albeit moaning sparks a kick up the arris to do an NVQ3 and get the gold card sorted

I'm not arguing about experience, I think that's a given. I just think the first assessments, should be done in more contolled conditions.

 

[diy_electrician]

Hi, I was looking to register with elesca also and wanted to know the exact same question, so I asked them,” how do I do a notify able job for you to assess when im not allowed to”, they told me that they will not check with building control and I could register the job once they had seen it. Seems to me it’s all about them getting their money.

 

[Guitarist]

Hi, I was looking to register with elesca also and wanted to know the exact same question, so I asked them,” how do I do a notify able job for you to assess when im not allowed to”, they told me that they will not check with building control and I could register the job once they had seen it. Seems to me it’s all about them getting their money.

You ARE allowed to do a notifiable job for your assessment, but you are supposed to inform your LBC beforehand and pay your (large) fee, then get it signed off by them after you have completed it. If you want to do it "by the book", talk to your senior building control officer (junior officers will quote the rules) and tell him/her about your plans. Some officers will allow you to go ahead and do the job as long as it is the one being assessed. All down to what you can feel comfortable with.