EU Brexit - How will you vote given the latest "news"

[UNG]

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So now we are reduced to the Corbett crapsite which on one or more counts is incorrect

 

[sparksburnout]

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So, I win my bet with a mate. I guaranteed the responses would be rebuttal without any actual rebuttal. Not one single factual detail.

well I wouldn't get too excited, if he's a jock as well he won't pay up.

 

[YoungScud]

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Touche

 

[Midwest]

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I'm undecided whether to vote 'undecided' in this pole or not. I haven't the foggist on if its better to stay or leave, so I'm interested in anything that can make me decide either way. Have to say not been influenced by this thread, to make my decision. So hopefully the discussion will continue, providing this link to prompt sensible arguments;

UK EU exit would be global economy 'shock' - G20 leaders - BBC News

And it's not just been reported on the BBC.

 

[Darkwood]

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I'm undecided whether to vote 'undecided' in this pole or not. I haven't the foggist on if its better to stay or leave, so I'm interested in anything that can make me decide either way. Have to say not been influenced by this thread, to make my decision. So hopefully the discussion will continue, providing this link to prompt sensible arguments;

UK EU exit would be global economy 'shock' - G20 leaders - BBC News


And it's not just been reported on the BBC.

Scaremongering from a bloke who has just been found to be manipulating the truth and figures regarding the NHS -YEP gonna believe anything this 'IN' campaigner has to say on the matter, uncertainty always causes financial ripples as has been the case with the Euro etc but it strange all those who told us we should join the Euro are now campaigning to stay in the EU - had we gone with their rock solid advice before then we would have been in a real bad position economically now, its been outside the failing Euro that protected us from alot of the recent recession. So sorry when I say I will not listen to the advice of those that would have brought our country even further to its knees had we followed there advice before...

 

[Octopus]

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I'm undecided whether to vote 'undecided' in this pole or not. I haven't the foggist on if its better to stay or leave, so I'm interested in anything that can make me decide either way. Have to say not been influenced by this thread, to make my decision. So hopefully the discussion will continue, providing this link to prompt sensible arguments;

UK EU exit would be global economy 'shock' - G20 leaders - BBC News

And it's not just been reported on the BBC.

Scaremongering as usual from the BBC!

The reason that the EU IS STILL in RECESSION/low growth is that they had decided to keep the Euro. If the Greeks, Spanish, etc had left in 2012, used their "old" currencies, they would have ALL have been into decent growth by now.

As the Euro zone is still under pressure, this is probably the same "shock" that the G20 are thinking about.

AND if the US Dollar and Chinese Yen were allowed to float properly on the world exchanges - that would produce a shock too.

 

[andyb]

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Scaremongering as usual from the BBC!

The reason that the EU IS STILL in RECESSION/low growth is that they had decided to keep the Euro. If the Greeks, Spanish, etc had left in 2012, used their "old" currencies, they would have ALL have been into decent growth by now.

As the Euro zone is still under pressure, this is probably the same "shock" that the G20 are thinking about.

AND if the US Dollar and Chinese Yen were allowed to float properly on the world exchanges - that would produce a shock too.

That's not scaremongering Murdoch, it's called reporting.
All the BBC has done here is report on a statement issued by the finance leaders of the G20, they also give coverage of Farage's reply.
You can claim that the G20 leaders are scare scaremongering if you want but not the BBC, or would you be happier if the BBC only reported the exit side of the argument?

 

[Octopus]

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That's not scaremongering Murdoch, it's called reporting.
All the BBC has done here is report on a statement issued by the finance leaders of the G20, they also give coverage of Farage's reply.
You can claim that the G20 leaders are scare scaremongering if you want but not the BBC, or would you be happier if the BBC only reported the exit side of the argument?

Hum..... its scaremongering. As my response outlined the other examples could be used.....

 

[andyb]

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Hum..... its scaremongering.

Hum..... have it your way then :banghead:

 

[spark 68]

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That's not scaremongering Murdoch, it's called reporting.
All the BBC has done here is report on a statement issued by the finance leaders of the G20, they also give coverage of Farage's reply.
You can claim that the G20 leaders are scare scaremongering if you want but not the BBC, or would you be happier if the BBC only reported the exit side of the argument?

You are aware of course that the good old beeb receives funding from the EU ?, as such it is not allowed to criticise the EU directly due to this funding, do a search for BBC EU funding while some info is from the "Torygraph" and the likes of spectator etc. it was also brought up by Farage in the EU parliament a few years ago, and even admitted by the beeb due to FOI requests.

So much for impartiality then the beeb are bought and bribed to spin the pro-EU/establishment line.

 

[andyb]

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You are aware of course that the good old beeb receives funding from the EU ?, as such it is not allowed to criticise the EU directly due to this funding, do a search for BBC EU funding while some info is from the "Torygraph" and the likes of spectator etc. it was also brought up by Farage in the EU parliament a few years ago, and even admitted by the beeb due to FOI requests.

So much for impartiality then the beeb are bought and bribed to spin the pro-EU/establishment line.

The BBC is not allowed to criticize the EU? that's just not true is it? Where do you get such nonsense from? Do you think that the BBC would suppress a bad story on the EU because they received some money from them? If you honestly believe that then I know there is nothing I or anyone can say to make you see sense.

Now if you want to discuss editorial censorship due to funding received then you need to look no further than the paper you are quoting to make your point, The Daily Telegraph, and their reporting (or lack of) of the HSBC scandal last year.

 

[Octopus]

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Thing is there is reporting the news and keeping it balanced AND reporting the news:

BBC link

Home - BBC News

Big prominent position

Sky News:

The Latest News from the UK and Around the World | Sky News

Not quite so prominent!

And its all very well for the G20 to make statements like this but where was there warning about the 2007 crash?

 

[spark 68]

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There is other info out there on this subject the beeb will not criticise the EU directly because it is conditional on receiving said funding, the same goes for any other organisation that also receives funding from the EU
Try and find one piece of "reporting" by the beeb that openly criticises the EU then, you won't because they don't, sure they will quote Farage or someone else who does, but they are very selective with reporting.

Ps. I don't subscribe to the Torygraph or the Daily fail either, nor the Guardian for that matter, and The likes of Sky news is just as bad.

 

[andyb]

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Thing is there is reporting the news and keeping it balanced AND reporting the news:

BBC link

Home - BBC News

Big prominent position

Sky News:

The Latest News from the UK and Around the World | Sky News

Not quite so prominent!

And its all very well for the G20 to make statements like this but where was there warning about the 2007 crash?

I don't see a lot of difference Murdoch really.
But why is it that you see it as BBC bias and not Sky bias? If I was 'looking' for biased reporting to defend my view I could say that foreign owned Sky was biased in its reporting of the pro EU view for the very sane reason that you are giving for claiming that the BBC is biased.

What you seem to be saying here is that Sky set the debate and if the BBC do not copy them then that proves their biased.

 

[andyb]

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the beeb will not criticise the EU directly because it is conditional on receiving said funding,

Nor should the BBC criticize the EU, or any other organization for that matter, it shouldn't praise them either. It's the BBCs job to report and not give opinions.

Try and find one piece of "reporting" by the beeb that openly criticises the EU then,

I doubt I'll find one, I also doubt I'll find one praising it either.