Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"
So the EU "cost's" us ÂŁ25m per day.....Oh and they tell us how to spend the rebated ÂŁ25m ? Apparently the 25 million difference is made up of our rebate AND the return grants and subsidies. The actual rebate part is just that...a rebate it never leaves the UK bank account. No figure on how much of the 25m is "rebate" and how much is subsidies/funds/grants ect...so we can't accurately say how much we spend freely and how much is via the grant's method where obv we are "told" where to spend.
Second point about this perceived 25 million saving -
Is everyone forgetting that we/anyone would STILL need to pay the EU for a free trade agreement lol. They don't do free trade arrangements, Ask Switzerland, Norway, Iceland who ALL pay to be involved in the "free trade agreement"....what a joke of a term that is.
By the way ALL of these countries have also had to sign up to free movement of people,goods and services. So that opens up a can of worms as "most" people's fears is the free movement of people - If you want to trade with the EU you have to agree to these terms and pay the membership costs.
Here is a wiki that describes the EEA in action -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
Firstly that is 25million PER DAY - if free trade accounts for a sizeable chunk of it then we would be better of without 'free trade' as they like to put it.
Secondly, we are the 5th strongest economical nation in the world, we sell way more than we buy from the EU so that already would give us the bargaining chip, plus the EU has free trade deals with countries outside the EU so in our position I cannot see leaving the EU would cost us in that sense, we deal (where we are permitted) with many other nations around the globe quite happily and yes there may be inport and export tarriffs but these are insignificant in the scope of things, companies still make profits, shoppers still buy and the world still turns. Try imagine an EU country trying to sell its goods to us yet we have just opened the rest of the world to trading, its called competition, the EU would find itself competing with other countries thus having to match or beat them - this is why trading limits on member states exist, its to protect the EU own interests at the cost of consumers possibly getting a better deal.
All these Scaremongering stories about free trade stopping and costs rocketing should be falling to the other EU members if we left as we carry the best hand to arrange an even better deal, the EU is fully aware of this as it trades with China and America etc who don't have the same deals as member states but they are not suffering for it either. When your one of the biggest Economies in the world that comes with some negotiating power, this is why using Switz' Norway or Iceland as comparrisons a non starter.
As a Nation we are well placed to leave the EU, get better deals with the EU and open our trade borders to a big chunk of the World market that we are limited from doing. I'm the kind of bloke who believes in our Country and it global position, its an easy option to just say leave things as they are because at least we know what's happening, well if the UK was an Employee and the Brussels its Boss, judging by the last decades performance of the company, I'd have left years ago and found another boss - IE.. Me!
This opportunity has taken 40+years to come and that was by accident as a Election sweetener that came to haunt Cameron, with the expected 1million influx of migrants the edition of free movement to Turkey and the fact the Euro is on the brink of collapse in the world stage, if any of these happen while we are still shackled then we will be pulled down too.
Thus I put it and yes this is my opinion that its far riskier to stay a member than to leave.
Lastly take a look at France's position on the Calais border, if that was to return to the UK then France would become once again the hub of a massive increase in migrant flow, we will be in charge of our borders we simply can make sure like with Planes that anyone boarding the Trains, Ferries etc have to show there passes and passports at the French end thus they would still make camp in France not here, this is partly why the UK and France did this border deal, before this deal the migrants still camped at France end looking for opportunities but in bigger numbers, the deal was a deterant to stem the attraction of migrants using France as a route and it worked quite well, now France threatening to return to the old system is just, again, scaremongering.
