EU Brexit - How will you vote given the latest "news"

[Midwest]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Quick peruse of any of the news web sites will reveal those stories, not say which one, cos 'll be accused of believing everything I read.

 

[Octopus]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

On Question Time last night at least 2 of the audience stated that they don't know who or what to believe!

Too true Sherlock!

 

[Diddy]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

So the EU "cost's" us £25m per day.....Oh and they tell us how to spend the rebated £25m ? Apparently the 25 million difference is made up of our rebate AND the return grants and subsidies. The actual rebate part is just that...a rebate it never leaves the UK bank account. No figure on how much of the 25m is "rebate" and how much is subsidies/funds/grants ect...so we can't accurately say how much we spend freely and how much is via the grant's method where obv we are "told" where to spend.
Second point about this perceived 25 million saving - Is everyone forgetting that we/anyone would STILL need to pay the EU for a free trade agreement lol. They don't do free trade arrangements, Ask Switzerland, Norway, Iceland who ALL pay to be involved in the "free trade agreement"....what a joke of a term that is.
By the way ALL of these countries have also had to sign up to free movement of people,goods and services. So that opens up a can of worms as "most" people's fears is the free movement of people - If you want to trade with the EU you have to agree to these terms and pay the membership costs.
Here is a wiki that describes the EEA in action - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area

 

[Darkwood]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

So the EU "cost's" us £25m per day.....Oh and they tell us how to spend the rebated £25m ? Apparently the 25 million difference is made up of our rebate AND the return grants and subsidies. The actual rebate part is just that...a rebate it never leaves the UK bank account. No figure on how much of the 25m is "rebate" and how much is subsidies/funds/grants ect...so we can't accurately say how much we spend freely and how much is via the grant's method where obv we are "told" where to spend.
Second point about this perceived 25 million saving - Is everyone forgetting that we/anyone would STILL need to pay the EU for a free trade agreement lol. They don't do free trade arrangements, Ask Switzerland, Norway, Iceland who ALL pay to be involved in the "free trade agreement"....what a joke of a term that is.
By the way ALL of these countries have also had to sign up to free movement of people,goods and services. So that opens up a can of worms as "most" people's fears is the free movement of people - If you want to trade with the EU you have to agree to these terms and pay the membership costs.
Here is a wiki that describes the EEA in action - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area

Firstly that is 25million PER DAY - if free trade accounts for a sizeable chunk of it then we would be better of without 'free trade' as they like to put it.
Secondly, we are the 5th strongest economical nation in the world, we sell way more than we buy from the EU so that already would give us the bargaining chip, plus the EU has free trade deals with countries outside the EU so in our position I cannot see leaving the EU would cost us in that sense, we deal (where we are permitted) with many other nations around the globe quite happily and yes there may be inport and export tarriffs but these are insignificant in the scope of things, companies still make profits, shoppers still buy and the world still turns. Try imagine an EU country trying to sell its goods to us yet we have just opened the rest of the world to trading, its called competition, the EU would find itself competing with other countries thus having to match or beat them - this is why trading limits on member states exist, its to protect the EU own interests at the cost of consumers possibly getting a better deal.

All these Scaremongering stories about free trade stopping and costs rocketing should be falling to the other EU members if we left as we carry the best hand to arrange an even better deal, the EU is fully aware of this as it trades with China and America etc who don't have the same deals as member states but they are not suffering for it either. When your one of the biggest Economies in the world that comes with some negotiating power, this is why using Switz' Norway or Iceland as comparrisons a non starter.

As a Nation we are well placed to leave the EU, get better deals with the EU and open our trade borders to a big chunk of the World market that we are limited from doing. I'm the kind of bloke who believes in our Country and it global position, its an easy option to just say leave things as they are because at least we know what's happening, well if the UK was an Employee and the Brussels its Boss, judging by the last decades performance of the company, I'd have left years ago and found another boss - IE.. Me!

This opportunity has taken 40+years to come and that was by accident as a Election sweetener that came to haunt Cameron, with the expected 1million influx of migrants the edition of free movement to Turkey and the fact the Euro is on the brink of collapse in the world stage, if any of these happen while we are still shackled then we will be pulled down too.

Thus I put it and yes this is my opinion that its far riskier to stay a member than to leave.

Lastly take a look at France's position on the Calais border, if that was to return to the UK then France would become once again the hub of a massive increase in migrant flow, we will be in charge of our borders we simply can make sure like with Planes that anyone boarding the Trains, Ferries etc have to show there passes and passports at the French end thus they would still make camp in France not here, this is partly why the UK and France did this border deal, before this deal the migrants still camped at France end looking for opportunities but in bigger numbers, the deal was a deterant to stem the attraction of migrants using France as a route and it worked quite well, now France threatening to return to the old system is just, again, scaremongering.

 

[plugsandsparks]

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perhaps you could explain the reasons for those two statements. Have you any evidence or logical reason as to why RR would make redundancies?? And if we leave the EU we can enforce our own border controls (£25M buys a lot of security a day) and stop them getting anywhere near. Your statement is just the usual scaremongering with no basis in fact.

I don't think he's advocating just reporting, anyway I am now so terrified of the aftermath of a Brexit according to the remain campaign I am preparing to emigrate. Why - well its out of control now and likely to get worse if we stay in, not what I want, and its going to be a catastrophe on jobs, security and general badness if we leave.

 

[Spoon]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

perhaps you could explain the reasons for those two statements. Have you any evidence or logical reason as to why RR would make redundancies?? And if we leave the EU we can enforce our own border controls (£25M buys a lot of security a day) and stop them getting anywhere near. Your statement is just the usual scaremongering with no basis in fact.

haha. I think you have totally misread my post.
Thanks plugsandsparks for clarifying my post to sparksburnout.

 

[sparksburnout]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

haha. I think you have totally misread my post.
Thanks plugsandsparks for clarifying my post to sparksburnout.

We are still waiting for the evidence requested. Making reference to a comment that sounds like it was made after a session in he pub is not much help. So come on, why would RR, the manufacturers or the WORLDS best engines, make people redundant if we left the EU??? Would those engines suddenly be rubbish that no one will buy? I don't think so. Oh and it might be me but I think the out votes on the forum have gone up a couple lately with the ins static??

 

[Midwest]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

We are still waiting for the evidence requested.

I think you have an ulterior motive for wanting the 'evidence', seeings though it's being reported all over the place, but here goes;

Germany's BMW warns its British Rolls-Royce staff of risk from EU exit - BBC | Reuters

Migrants living in camps like the Calais 'Jungle' would flood into Britain if we left EU, French minister warns

:builder:

 

[Spoon]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

We are still waiting for the evidence requested. Making reference to a comment that sounds like it was made after a session in he pub is not much help. So come on, why would RR, the manufacturers or the WORLDS best engines, make people redundant if we left the EU??? Would those engines suddenly be rubbish that no one will buy? I don't think so. Oh and it might be me but I think the out votes on the forum have gone up a couple lately with the ins static??

Please read my post #254 again, very slowly. It seems that you are the only one that is misinterpreting it. See below to save you finding it:

Its good to see that the news is not being biased....
If we leave the EU there will be camps in England like the ones that have just been removed from France & I think it was Rolls Royce, that will make lots of redundancies if we leave the EU.

I will explain it to you in basic terms.
See the smiley face after comment "Its good to see that the news is not being biased...."? That means 'don't take this post seriously' The lines underneath are what I heard on the news. That is why I put my first comment "Its good to see that the news is not being biased....".
See now?

 

[andyb]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Please read my post #254 again, very slowly. It seems that you are the only one that is misinterpreting it. See below to save you finding it:

Its good to see that the news is not being biased....
If we leave the EU there will be camps in England like the ones that have just been removed from France & I think it was Rolls Royce, that will make lots of redundancies if we leave the EU.

I will explain it to you in basic terms.
See the smiley face after comment "Its good to see that the news is not being biased...."? That means 'don't take this post seriously' The lines underneath are what I heard on the news. That is why I put my first comment "Its good to see that the news is not being biased....".
See now?

It seems that the out camp struggle to understand each others arguments, let alone come to terms with the bigger picture.
See the smiley face after my comment.

 

[Spoon]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I'm not sure which way I want to vote. I know I will get very biased info from the news and anything on TV.
I am leaning towards the OUT though.

 

[andyb]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I'm not sure which way I want to vote. I know I will get very biased info from the news and anything on TV.
I am leaning towards the OUT though.

I know Spoon, I was having a bit of fun. You have indicated before that you are leaning toward out.
All the information is slanted to make a point for in or out. I just read something then try to verify the 'facts' as best I can.
There are some useful non partisan fact checker web sites out there like https://fullfact.org/ but even they cant get to the bottom of a lot of it. And of course they cant check the facts on what is yet to happen.

 

[Octopus]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Germany's BMW warns its British Rolls-Royce staff of risk from EU exit - BBC | Reuters

:builder:

Hum.... given that nearly all the components of a Rolls - Royce are shipped in from Germany - is it really a Rolls Royce?

They could move assembly to Germany and stick a BMW badge on the front - wonder how it would sell then?

 

[Midwest]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Hum.... given that nearly all the components of a Rolls - Royce are shipped in from Germany - is it really a Rolls Royce?

They could move assembly to Germany and stick a BMW badge on the front - wonder how it would sell then?

Wasn't making any comment on the reports, and wouldn't know where the parts come from. Seems some people are still infatuated with the brand though.

 

[Midwest]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Would this effect your decision?

EU referendum: Donald Trump backs Brexit - BBC News