EU Brexit - How will you vote given the latest "news"

[YoungScud]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Actually, it's in bothe continents, although largely it's Asian.

 

[telectrix]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

5% is in europe. that's the bit north of the bosphorus. and they probably stole it anyway.bloody turks. they sided with germany in ww1 if you remember.

 

[YoungScud]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

5% is in europe. that's the bit north of the bosphorus. and they probably stole it anyway.bloody turks. they sided with germany in ww1 if you remember.

Um, so did Germany. What's your point?

 

[Darkwood]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

So is that a done deal, a few boxes to be ticked and Turkey gets to join the club in 2020 ?

The EU is desperate to expand, it already has its eyes on Turkey due to existing relations and has given them some conditions to conform to so as to be allowed to join the ever failing EU, the problem is Turkey is a muslim country and is torn by the same issues other muslim countries fall foul of, that is the divide between the differing Muslim groups- this see's regular terrorist attacks most that never reach the news as it doesn't often effect the 3% side of Turkey that falls in Europe and we know as the holiday resorts, also to remember is the remaining 97% is actually in Asia not Europe so begging the question why financially cripple the EU by asking them to join.

I cannot see why the EU would want Turkey considering its going to be such a drain + the expected migration as they become EU citizens will be large -Hmmm maybe this as been more a strategical effort with regards to military position - if Turkey is in the EU then we have a country NATO could use that would give us a military strategic positional advantage- I may be wrong but there are too many negatives to have Turkey join unless we had other motives.

Of course they are not going to tell us the truth :thinking:.... but how ever you look at it, it will hit you me and J.Bloggs in the pocket if they join.

Here a Pro's and Con's list... some of the Con's are scary indeed to be allowed into the EU :icon9:

http://www.debatingeurope.eu/focus/...d-against-turkeys-eu-membership/#.VrTMYPmLTIV

 

[telectrix]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

point is they not to be trusted.

 

[Darkwood]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

point is they not to be trusted.

And what part of the unelected Merkel machine is trustworthy ... they would probably fit in well with the smoke and mirrors of the Brussels brady bunch :sifone:

 

[sean_ork]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Here a Pro's and Con's list... some of the Con's are scary indeed to be allowed into the EU :icon9:

Arguments for and against Turkey?s EU membership ? Debating Europe

So there isn't a plan already in place for them to fully join the big boys club in 2020 ?

 

[Darkwood]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

So there isn't a plan already in place for them to fully join the big boys club in 2020 ?

Negotiations are ongoing, the plan is 2020 as a set date, there are those who oppose and those who are for it... yes there is a plan in place par ce' but whether it will come to fruition is another thing Turkey has alot to get in order like human rights violations to start with, also the biggest stumbling block for them joining is Merkel herself as she is against the move which usually she is considered the voice of Europe and the most powerful women in the world, what she wants is usually the outcome but tides are changing and her open door invite to immigrants has massively backfired on germany and the EU and she has lost alot of ground and influence on this massive misjudgement, that decision could be her and the EU's downfall so making a call on Turkey joining is very hard at the moment, but like I say - this seems to have military strings attached which would mean the EU would find a way to bring them in otherwise the invite would never have occured in the first place.

 

[sean_ork]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Turkey will never be full member, over the past few years they've moved further away from compliance with AC - find yourself an itemised list of the numerous chapters, they've just pandered to the compliance requirements. This shouldn't be a surprise seeing as so few Turks actually think joining is a good idea - other than our fool there's very little support for them joining - to suggest otherwise is just scaremongering.

I forgot to ask - where did this 2020 come from ?

 

[Darkwood]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Turkey will never be full member, over the past few years they've moved further away from compliance with AC - find yourself an itemised list of the numerous chapters, they've just pandered to the compliance requirements. This shouldn't be a surprise seeing as so few Turks actually think joining is a good idea - other than our fool there's very little support for them joining - to suggest otherwise is just scaremongering.

I forgot to ask - where did this 2020 come from ?

Your not seeing the full picture, its a very strategic position not just for Syria but other, lets say big players in the world.. the whole Turkey joining issue is a lot bigger than the sum of its parts - when the military need to position themselves for an advantage on many fronts then you either invade and take over or you make sure they join your party.. invading Turkey is not an option and this isn't just the EU here, I smell the USA are pulling strings here, this is part of the reason the USA is so against us leaving the EU, it has little to do with trade but more so military politics.. if we are out the USA has less influence as we tend to be its military lapdog as has been proven so many times before.

Oh yes and I forgot - Turkey has a magic bullit, they are basically demanding to join or they will flood the EU with immigrants ... tbh they have the ACE here, Turkey is run by a corrupt Islamic leader who has already had meetings with Merkel on this subject, when Merkel agree's to make a deal like she already has, it shows how bad things are for the EU, letting Turkey in may be the only way to stem the migrant flow which is derailing the EU and breaking it up.

This isn't propaganda - these meeting were done last autumn, an agreement wasn't made to meet both parties needs but 3billion was handed over to help turkey cope with the influx (Well thats what we were told) but still Turkey let anyone through who wanted to, this led to fuelling the continuing crisis and is still ongoing... it could see Turkey join before 2020, which was a date drafted in an EU document if I remember but it could have just been a estimated figure.

 

[Octopus]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Where's MDJ these days - he's suspiciously quiet on the subject!

Interesting that there are no votes for undecided!

 

[ian.settle1]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

Where's MDJ these days - he's suspiciously quiet on the subject!

Interesting that there are no votes for undecided!

That's because he has asked for his account to be deleted any posts by him now have Guest underneath

 

[andyb]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

We need to stop the mass hoards of unskilled labour and unvetted, economic migrants who hate our values, and way life.

I'm pro EU but you're scaring me now.
Where are these mass hordes? The government should put a stop to this.

 

[Darkwood]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

I'm pro EU but you're scaring me now.
Where are these mass hoards? The government should put a stop to this.

You obviously live in an area blessed with little influx, where I am we have seen a large influx on EU immigrants taking all the unskilled jobs and even driving the wages down of the skilled work, from what I have seen they haven't a clue about any British Standards in the skilled trades... this and the fact I now have to wait 3 weeks for a Doc appointment, our other services are buckling and I now hear more foreign laungage been spoke in our local Tesco's than I do English - don't get me wrong, I'm not racist, I believe in controlled immigration but what has happened has destroyed communities, and gridlocked services and was a big reason Labour crashed out of the Elections.. look at immigration hotspots and these directly corrolate to opinions that we need to get our borders back.

 

[andyb]

Re: EU - How will you vote given the latest "news"

You obviously live in an area blessed with little influx, where I am we have seen a large influx on EU immigrants taking all the unskilled jobs and even driving the wages down of the skilled work, from what I have seen they haven't a clue about any British Standards in the skilled trades... this and the fact I now have to wait 3 weeks for a Doc appointment, our other services are buckling and I now hear more foreign laungage been spoke in our local Tesco's than I do English - don't get me wrong, I'm not racist, I believe in controlled immigration but what has happened has destroyed communities, and gridlocked services and was a big reason Labour crashed out of the Elections.. look at immigration hotspots and these directly corrolate to opinions that we need to get our borders back.

Is a large influx the same as mass horde?

I live in an area that has had a 'little influx' guess what? you can't get a doctors appointment, other services are buckling and English is the most common language I hear in Tesco's.
My mum lives in a place that has had no influx, and here's the thing. you can't get a doctors appointment, other services are buckling and English is the most common language she hear's in Tesco's.

The problems in the country regarding services, housing, health care lack of education places and so on is not the fault of eastern Europeans but the result of years of neglect and underfunding by successive governments.

And all the the time you blame nasty Mr foreigner you are letting those responsible off the hook.