First electric shock

[Chrisuk]

Some of the regulars will know I'm in training...slightly confused...all day today I've been sleeving the cpc because none at all had any on and putting connector blocks in choc blocks..15mins before leaving I have my head above the ceiling...power on since where we are working are open and they don't want a third of the store in darkness from killing the mcb.

Had the connector block between finger and thumb..carefully putting it the choc block when I heard it cracking..was tightening the screws when I got a belt.

So I'm thinking could it arc...I didn't see anything...just felt it.....or Is it more likely I just had a brain fart and my thumb touched some exposed conductor?

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Least I know the rcd kicks in fast

 

[R G]

Well I and I suspect many others wouldn't be happy getting steps out and lifting false ceiling tiles knowing full well there were live connector blocks sitting on the tiles or maybe God forbid , touching the ceiling grid .
Needles to say I definitely wouldn't be sending a lad up there working live either..

 

[camerabloke]

Has the op come back and told us how he got on yet. Or is he violently clinging to a pair of steps on site

 

[Pete999]

I was just thinking that I sent him some useful information, no thanks no nothing, not that I'm whinging , honest:6::willy_nilly:

 

[trev]

How things have changed!! lol!! During my time in the industrial sector, working live was part and parcel of being an electrician. By the sound of it, most of you would cringe at the things we were expected to do, to keep the lines/plants running. We were actually taught how to work live during the latter part of our apprenticeships, complete with fully insulated tool kits...

No it wasn't just a case of jumping into things willy nilly, ...any and all precautions were taken that could be taken, and you never worked live alone, but work live we did and on a pretty regular basis as well...

I agree, but by the sound of it this lad has received no training in how to safely work live. Nor was he under the kind of supervision that we would have been under when doing it.
In a couple of weeks I might be required to drill into a live bus bar, it holds no terror for me because, the same as you and a lot of others, I was taught how to.

 

[telectrix]

We used to send children up chimneys to clean them as well. Some things deserve to be left in the past though. The old days are only the 'good old days' when it suits eh. Daz

what you mean "used to send children up chimneys". it's still common practice in stoke. how else can you clean out a bottle oven?

 

[Paul.M]

Don't have the BGB.. first year so was Told I don't need it yet. And again I listened to someone because if I don't how do I learn...I've got to believe what a time served spark says..why would I not...they should know best...if all else fails I come on here and get my --- handed to me haha jk

OK CHRIS, I've only read 4 pages of this thread and I have to say this (on a "reply with post")..... YOU MUPPET!!!!! You have been on one job with me and what happened regarding "safe isolation" before you touched anything??? I showed you the D/B, I showed you the grid switch, I showed you that NO cables were connected to the circuit that you were working on AND PROVED DEAD!!!!!! You Proved dead yourself, WHY NOT ON THIS OCCASION????????


Look Chris, I will buy you a bloody Volt Pen and give you a voltage indicator. See you at the weekend sometime, I'll call you.


Cant believe that you are doing this BTW. A face to face -------ing and a slap in the face is coming your way my friend. Please introduce me to "your supervisor, JUST FOR MY ENTERTAINMENT". I would love to meet him. Your call Chris.

 

[nickblake]

There will almost always be someone working in a position above managerial wise trying to push you on to get the job done and meet target etc. However there is no excuse for trying to persuade someone (especially an inexperienced and vulnerable trainee) to work live.

I sympathize in the sense that you probably wont feel confident and/or want to cause any confrontation by refusing to do so but you need to take a step back and thing it's literally a case of your life on the line.

I agree but now i there are alot less electricians being electrocuted

 

[Engineer54]

I agree, but by the sound of it this lad has received no training in how to safely work live. Nor was he under the kind of supervision that we would have been under when doing it.
In a couple of weeks I might be required to drill into a live bus bar, it holds no terror for me because, the same as you and a lot of others, I was taught how to.

Yes i agree with you Trev, about this particular lads circumstances.

Don't go telling people here that, you wouldn't believe the stick i got on the PM's after telling my story of drilling a live bus bar in a MDB!! ...lol!!

That's the difference, it seems no-one is taught to work live these days as it's been demonised by those that know no different, ...but i bet it still goes on and by those that haven't been trained!!

 

[trev]

Yes i agree with you Trev, about this particular lads circumstances.

Don't go telling people here that, you wouldn't believe the stick i got on the PM's after telling my story of drilling a live bus bar in a MDB!! ...lol!!

That's the difference, it seems no-one is taught to work live these days as it's been demonised by those that know no different, ...but i bet it still goes on and by those that haven't been trained!!

Well. like you, I've had to work live many times and have done so with no fear. Lots of respect for what I was working with but no fear.
Let the stick via PMs commence

 

[Chrisuk]

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Pete..nothing is showing up for me..seems it's a broken link pal

 

[Chrisuk]

If you want a serious shock, try waking up next to our lass without make up argggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Lmao Glenn what are u like

 

[Chrisuk]

acording to the post they mentioned they were supposed to put a chockbox over the connector so shouldn't have needed to touch it anyway ( personally I always wrap connector in a bit of tape, cover any copper/screws, or you can get a shock if it touches anything)

100% correct shanky ...putting choc boxes over connector blocks but I could hear crackling buzzing so was tightening the screws..finger and thumb either side of the plastic block when I got a belt

I've spoke to 2 more sparks since this and both said it's safe to put a connector block in a choc box if you only touch the plastic...but yes I know safe isolation

 

[Chrisuk]

What are you saying, the earth wire required sleeving therefore had to be disconnected to do this , this is on a live circuit and also the connector blocks constitute exposed live parts , at the very least he could have got a shock of the earth wires with any stray return currents in the circuit,,,

No was two different jobs...the earth was wrapped back up the grey pvc...so put sheathing on it and a connector block...the live and neutral were in a black enclosure

Where I got a belt was on each pir...from it to the led was a connector block....live..natural and one with red tape...so actually no cpc on them or the one I get a belt from .apparently needs 3core....it's the connector blocks I'm putting in a choc box

 

[Chrisuk]

Are you saying the earth was crackling?

I'm not saying which was cracking..just that I could hear it coming from the connector block..hence I started tightening the screws..one of the neutrals was seriously loose..was turning turning and some more until tight and then that's when I got a belt just when I took my vde driver off the screw

 

[Virtus Lucem]

Would you create a faraday cage effect to protect you whilst drilling?