fit for purpose?...i think not...

[GLENNSPARK]

the scams

thought & opinions here please:

to the Mods:
can we make this one a sticky?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

PartP...who is responsible

OK...enough of the myth...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

the rackets...why are we paying them?

so just what do we really get for our reddies...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

the schemes...their not about safety or quality of work...are they...

given some of the down rite apalling work we`v seen images of in here of late...together with the stony faced reluctance to acnowledge any responsibility on their part...are they actually in breach of their advertising `claims`..nodding towards `safety`...and `compliance`...and other eyecatching fluff like that...?

 

[Knobhead]

Re: the rackets...why are we paying them?

You tell me, never had a need of them.

The only dues I’ve ever paid were to the union, until I fell out with them.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

caus lets face it PartP really isn`t....is it...

 

[GLENNSPARK]

5 week courses....its just deceitful...

lying, cheating, stealing...

`compentency` in 5 weeks?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

they sit about & get our money....for nothing..

Yep..
its the scams & the likes of `rated people`....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Part P is not a qualification

So..

why do some around here cling to this nonsense then?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

the standards required for scheme menbership...

as we all know...the assessment bar for scheme membership is set pretty low...

just high enough to suggest a nod at compliance....

but expectations are low...and theres no encouragement towards betterment...

 

[ayjay]

Re: they sit about & get our money....for nothing..

hi glenn
there will always be parasites that take advantage
unfortunately some are prone to give money to them in the hope that they will become a bona fide sparky

 

[Geordie Spark]

Re: the rackets...why are we paying them?

You tell me, never had a need of them.

The only dues I’ve ever paid were to the union, until I fell out with them.

In my lifetime I've been a member of three unions - the engineers' union (AEU???), the supervisors' union (TASS or something) and the Musicians' Union. The only one that was of any use at all to me was the Musician's Union who gave me a lot of help in suing a Working Mens' Club in (*spit*) Sunderland that tried to rip me off.

 

[Richard Burns]

Re: the schemes...their not about safety or quality of work...are they...

From the EAS 2012 scheme document it seems not as these are the requirements for action on receipt of a complaint:

22. COMPLAINTS ABOUT AN ASSESSED ENTERPRISE’S ELECTRICAL INSTALLATION WORK
22.0 The Certification or Registration Body shall have procedures in place to deal with complaints in a timely manner.
22.1 Where a complaint against an Assessed Enterprise cannot be resolved by the Enterprise and the complaint is subsequently received by a Certification or Registration Body indicating that the work undertaken by the Assessed Enterprise, or sub-let by the Assessed Enterprise, does not meet the requirements of the relevant standards listed in Appendix 2, the Assessed Enterprise shall be required to provide facilities for inspections to be carried out by the Certification or Registration Body, including test equipment and access to the work to be inspected.
22.3 Where, as a result of such inspections, it is shown to the satisfaction of the Certification or Registration Body that the standard of the work is below that required; the Assessed Enterprise shall be required, at its own expense, to take remedial action within a specified time as notified to it by the Certification or Registration Body.
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22.4 The Certification or Registration Body shall investigate complaints about an Assessed Enterprise’s Electrical installation work where:
22.4.1 the work was undertaken within the scope of the Assessment Certificate; and
22.4.2 the work was undertaken within the last two years or was undertaken since the date of issue of the Assessment Certificate, whichever is the shorter period.


The other requirement from the minimum technical standards document 2014 also does not seem to be in place..

The Competent Person Scheme Operator shall have systems in place to ensure that each registered enterprise has sufficient competent individuals to ensure the compliance of the work undertaken by each registered enterprise, that work is certified only by competent individuals who have demonstrated the required competence and have had sufficient involvement to do so. The work of each competent individual shall be periodically randomly monitored by the scheme operator to check on its compliance.

 

[Darkwood]

Re: the standards required for scheme menbership...

Not dis-agreeing Glen but your on one angry night checking your other posts out ... CHill dude! :coolgleamA:

 

[Knobhead]

Re: Part P is not a qualification

Because they have been conned out of their money and want to believe they have something tangible to show for it.

Unfortunately they don’t have a qualification, they have a worthless piece of paper that should have been printed on recycled toilet tissue.