fit for purpose?...i think not...

[telectrix]

Re: they sit about & get our money....for nothing..

agree. just like rated people. e.g. job descriptiom... complete rewire of 3 bed detached + garage + summer house + intruder alarm, budget < £1000. what a joke.

 

[wozz]

Re: they sit about & get our money....for nothing..

im unsure why rated people, trusted, my hammer ect and a like (buy leads or sites where customer gives you a price) get thrown into the mix with check a trade who just host a page for you and gives the customers a facility for feedback.

If i got a call through check a trade it usually meant i would charge a bit more as it felt like i was redeeming the outlay the quality of customers through them was in general better than most other ways. unfortunately for them they always seemed to get lumped in with the others.

 

[Rockingit]

Re: PartP...who is responsible

This comes down to contract law, where 'Person' is the instructing [contracting] party. So basically the homeowner, as I've frequently said. The onus on providing an installation (whatever that might be) to a standard of good workmanship (BS5000, I believe) is in turn governed by various sales of goods and services acts.

So, in simple terms, houseowner wants a CU changed - their responsibility to notify etc or use a scheme member. Installers responsibility is to then act in accordance with Elec Regs and do a decent job.

 

[silverfox1]

Re: Part P is not a qualification

Which states:

"Work in building construction or as a domestic electrician? Familiarise yourself with important building requirements and compliance methods with the Certificate in Building Regulations for Electrical Installations in Dwellings. The Certificate in the Building Regulations for Electrical Installations in Dwellings is for those working in the building trades and others who need to know how electrical installations in homes can affect the building construction. You should be a qualified electrician or a qualified individual in an allied trade. You should also be practicing your trade in England and Wales, as there are different regulations governing Scotland and Northern Ireland."

Is this the loophole Kev the kitchen fitter uses to lash a bit of 1.5 T&E in for an extra socket?
I have C&G 2393 and am part P qualified, Mmmm

 

[UNG]

Re: 5 week courses....its just deceitful...

Competent is the new qualified to some

 

[UNG]

Part P a knee jerk reaction by Labour to an MP's son in law's DIY failure that killed her daughter

 

[telectrix]

in that case, whether or not the electrical work was faulty, they had been getting shocks from the thing for a while, yet had not had the common sense to call a spark in. FFS.

 

[Guest77]

Re: PartP...who is responsible

Agree with Rock, thats the way i understand it.

 

[Guest77]

Re: Part P is not a qualification

Is this the loophole Kev the kitchen fitter uses to lash a bit of 1.5 T&E in for an extra socket?
I have C&G 2393 and am part P qualified, Mmmm

rollocks, it is a building reg you can download free of charge off the internet, how can you be qualified?

 

[Guest77]

Part P a knee jerk reaction by Labour to an MP's son in law's DIY failure that killed her daughter

Yes one of their disasterous policies for sure

 

[gutterball]

Re: 5 week courses....its just deceitful...

5 weeks training is poor for any profession. how would you like a doctor treating you who had just done a 5 week course or travelling on a plane where the pilot has done a 5 week course on a Cessna and is now taking you on an international flight in a 737.

 

[telectrix]

Re: 5 week courses....its just deceitful...

well, that's the whole crux of the matter. BS7671 states that electrical work should be undertaken by " a competent person", not someone with a Electrical Trainee certificate and as much practical experience as wiring a socket or 2. this is why the scams are an epic fail. ticking boxes as regards paper certificates without experience is like getting a 14 year old who's been on a playstation piloting a 747.

 

[amckay]

I'm gonna charge you £300 to obtain an "electricians licence" where you send me all your quals and I ring c&g to verify. Send me a passport sized picuture signed as a true likeness on reverse by your neighbours dog and in 6-8 weeks you will be a licenced electrician!
Once a year we'll send an ex-plasterer out to randomly select 3jobs to inspect to make your your standard of work is high.

Any takers? Lol

 

[Adam W]

Re: Part P is not a qualification

Which states:

"Work in building construction or as a domestic electrician? Familiarise yourself with important building requirements and compliance methods with the Certificate in Building Regulations for Electrical Installations in Dwellings. The Certificate in the Building Regulations for Electrical Installations in Dwellings is for those working in the building trades and others who need to know how electrical installations in homes can affect the building construction. You should be a qualified electrician or a qualified individual in an allied trade. You should also be practicing your trade in England and Wales, as there are different regulations governing Scotland and Northern Ireland."

Exactly - this course is meant for experienced, or 'home grown' electricians, not for people looking for a quick fix into a lucrative new career.
The problem is not that the course exists, but that it's being mis-sold by cowboy training centres.

 

[telectrix]

Re: PartP...who is responsible

so, LABC should accept direct notification from a qualified spark. cut out the miiddleman (scam provider). they do if it's new build or a building extension, so why not for purely electrical work? as i am not in a scam, i am competent to totally design and install the system in a new house, but not to change a CU unless i pay them £300+ for them to do a bit of paperwork called a building notice. then they accept my cert/s. just a money making racket. al capone would have been proud of them.