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Didn't really get the chance fella. We were asked not to repeat each other, Mr Morris did most of the talking and I agreed with most of it. I gave a brief account of my thoughts on the current situation, mostly in line with what had already been said. Mr Pollock gave the most damning evidence having been a Electrical Trainee himself prior to getting fully qualified, evidence I could not give. What exactly could I have added other than the answers to the questions that were directed at me? They asked me about enforcement so I answered, I wasn't going to go off on one about 5WWs at that point as that would not have addressed the question asked. They asked me about solutions and I answered. We only had an hour and most of that was taken up by Mr Morris talking about the schemes dirty behaviour and Mr Judson talking about nonsense.

I didn't see you there???
 
Certain electrical goods mate.

The more I've thought about this over time the more I've started to come round to the idea that it would be a bad idea to ban the sale of all electrical equipment to the general public. Lights, switches, sockets etc.. I was thinking that it's fair to say that a competent DIYer is well within his rights to change a socket or switch. Well, that was until the other day. The other day I was carrying out a periodic inspection in a property where the lighting circuits had no cpc yet just weeks ago the owner had gone round and changed every socket, light and switch for metal ones. Every light switch and light fitting had to be changed back to plastic. He was completely oblivious to the danger posed when he carried out the work.

And you say banning is a bad idea?!

I fail to see how this will come back to bite the spark in the backside??

Ok, I understand the need for the general public to be able to get hold of plug tops, fuse wire, cable clips and bits and bobs, but distribution boards and cable?? No.

In my opinion, the best solution is a mandatory licence, restricted only to those with a core qual, an NVQ3 (or equivalent) and an AM2, and the sale of electrical equipment restricted only to those with the aforementioned licence. The holder of the licence would be obligated to keep up to date with current regs and maybe sit an AM2 style assessment with an additional few written papers every five years or something.

The one bad thing with this style system I can see would be retired sparks being unable to carry out work in their own homes. I suppose the whole idea however would be about doing the greatest amount of good for the greatest amount of people though. A shame a few thousand retired sparks can't carry out work on their own homes without keeping up with the licence requirements, but at the same time many hundreds of thousands of people are prevented from potentially killing themselves and their families??

Whatever happens and whatever your current view, one thing is for sure, and that is that a serious debate involving a diverse range of people from across the industry needs to happen. From the big companies to the small, from the H&SE to the general public, from the writers of the regs to the followers of them, from the fire fighters picking up the pieces of dodgy DIY work to the spark putting right the wrongs of the 5WWs. We as an industry, as a collective of people with varying experiences and skills, we need to sit down in a massive room and decide as a gorup what is best for the public, not the private money grabbing scam companies profiting enormously from the misery of others!!!


Well he wasn't competent then was he?
 
My point exactly WP. My dad could change a socket or switch just fine, he's more than able to provide a sound termination and fold the cables back neatly. Would he know not to fit a metal switch if there was no earth present? I doubt it. No matter how anyone tries to spin it, no DIYer will ever be truly competent in the fullest sense of the word.
 
Does anyone remember the Electium recall , I went round all my jobs and changed loads of MCBs . I bet theres still loads out there that haven't been changed ..
 
Erwin skelton; fair play you were invited to the parliamentary thing & went along, shame you were not so vocal on the day mate.

Just occurred to me... You really have some kind of bee in your bonnet about me not being as vocal as the other four at the select committee hearing don't you? You a mate of Steptoe?

What's your real issue with me fella? You fancy airing it here?
 
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My point exactly WP. My dad could change a socket or switch just fine, he's more than able to provide a sound termination and fold the cables back neatly. Would he know not to fit a metal switch if there was no earth present? I doubt it. No matter how anyone tries to spin it, no DIYer will ever be truly competent in the fullest sense of the word.

Trouble is, no-one reads instructions fully! :book:
 
erm anyone know anything about this?

presumably they mean all new 'fuse boards', not all fuse boards?

Regulation 421.1.200 has been introduced and will require switchgear assemblies, including consumer units, to have their enclosure manufactured from non-combustible, or not readily combustible, material, or to be enclosed in a cabinet or enclosure that is constructed of non-combustible, or not readily combustible, material.

This new Regulation is being introduced to help to protect against fire that can result from the overheating of connections within consumer units. Overheating can arise from loose connections and connections that have not been made correctly, for example, the connection of a cable over the insulation.
 
Seeing as they are already made from non combustible material, perhaps they should now concentrate on a plastic that doesn't melt down to a blob on the floor!! lol!!
 

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