No bee in my bonnet with you at all, just think (as somebody else has stated) you were rather quick to imply (not with words but you and others know what you meant)that Electrical Trainee are to blame for the five fold increase in cu fires.
I do, I do believe they are at the very least partly to blame, and I have no shame whatsoever in expressing that.
The select committee thing, well your rather forceful here with words & views but on the day you were more Percival than Rommel & that is Just my view. Could I have done better? who knows but I didn't put myself up for it but you did , so hats off to you I suppose.
Forceful? You haven't been here long have you lol. Wait until you meet a few of our more colourful members, no names mentioned. Not quite sure what you mean by 'Percival'? He was a warrior too was he not? The fact is, the way I talk here is not the way I'm going to talk in front of a panel of MPs who I'd very much like to take my views seriously. It's easy to vent frustration on a forum, but MPs want more than just a rant about 5WWs don't they?! Considering that I know how outspoken I can be, I'm rather pleased with the way I carried myself in Parliament. I may not have been as vocal as the rest, but maybe that's a good thing. I could have gone off on one like Mr Judson did and then I'd have risked having our views as a panel taken even less seriously.
Real issue with you, how can I have an issue with you when I don't know you from steptoe?
what I do have is my own opinion
There are ways to express an opinion. Attempting to make sly, underhand digs just makes yours seem less valuable from the offset though doesn't it.
(as you & others also have) & from what I see there does seem to be some Electrical Trainee (that normaly rolls into DI) baiting/bashing, for the woes & downfalls with in the trade & a minority here soon jump on the bashing bandwagon.
I've nothing against domestic electricians if that's what you're implying, just the organisations that allow unqualified ones to operate.
Yes some of their work is way below expected standards
MOST of their work is way below expected standards, you'd be a fool to try to claim otherwise! Yes, there always exceptions, there will always be those who go the extra mile to make sure they do things right, but those few are in the minority! HHD, for the record, I'd like to think that your would come under this category. I know you don't particularly like what most of us have to say about 5WWs. It ain't personal fella
All this said, I don't blame the 5WWs, they've just tapped into a means to earn money. It wasn't them that created scam schemes and phony training providers. Most of them don't know any better as they have been sold a lie, they just go about their day to day business completely oblivious to the dangers they leave in their wake. It's just the same as I don't blame immigrants for our current immigration problems, they are just trying to better their lives, but it was the government who opened the floodgates for them to enter.
but the same can be said of some time served individuals & larger contractors for example, a few months ago I replaced a db in a fire station due to a burnout/loose neutral on the main switch that was less than a year old, installed on a refurb by an Approved contractor.
The casing flared & scorched/sooted the wall, not a Electrical Trainee or DI in sight, but it was an electrical fire in a cu.
Because its not a domestic job done by a Electrical Trainee I suppose it doesn't count in the five fold increase headlines?
Indeed it can be! Some of the worst work I've seen local to me is carried out by one of the largest contractors in the area, but I'd suggest, given my experience, that they are the exception to the rule. We've gone in on clear up jobs on a number of occasions where the first contractor has been booted off the site for sub-standard work. We've gone in, rectified the mistakes and signed off our end. The fact is, it's much plainer to see to a client when a commercial or industrial job has been or is being done badly (I'm not saying it never happens), but for a domestic customer, 99% of the time they are none the wiser when their job has been lashed up by someone with only a few weeks worth of experience and little to no knowledge to back it up.
What you're essentially trying to do is the equivalent of comparing malaria with the flu. Yeah, flu kills, but really??? You're trying to say it's just as dangerous as the former?
Sorry bud, it doesn't fly with me I'm afraid.
