That is a crap example - have you ever fitted a pair of brake pads - you cant get them wrong! If you do then the brake caliper wont go back on - break shoes on the other hand are a pain in the a***
Oh yes you can I have seen the wrong pads supplied and some one attempt to fit them as they would fit in the calliper and must be right cos the guy at the motor factors said they were so it's not a crap example
I think there are a load on here who is either looking for a reason to have a bitch or generally dont get the idea of why I am doing this!
As has been said all landlords have the lives of their tenants in their hands (which everyone agrees with)
Yes Electricity in general is very safe but only in the hands of those who respect it! there are properties out there with no RCD protection, none compliant sockets (no safety covers in them), and no bonding throughout - some without even a cpc in the circuits. - glad to say these are fair and far in between!
Now think about it if you have a child (say <2 years old) and puts their fingers into a none compliant socket the only thing that will save their life is a RCD which operates correctly and disconnects within 40ms (at that current).
Yes we all know RCDs have their floors and yes we all know they slow down but done we all with age!
At the end of the day if a child is killed the landlord will be up on a manslaughter charge - now how many years do you think that landlord will face? 6 years or 10 years or more? Plus how do you think that landlord will feel?
Me personally I would not worry about the jail sentence - the guilt of someone being killed because I could not be bothered to fit a RCD or change the sockets is what will kill me! - I would be another statistic of those who hung them self in jail!
So now re-look at this again and see why I am doing this - protection for that child and protection for that landlord!
So objection and reasoned argument is now bitching
Tenants also have their own lives in their own hands and cannot and should not abdicate responsibility to a landlord due to their stupidity
If a child of that age is unsupervised then the parents or adult left to care for the child must take some responsibility
I assume by a non compliant socket you a referring to one not manufactured to BS1363 and therefore circa pre 1947
RCD's do have their flaws like the test button not being used quarterly to check it's operation a homeowner / tenant test that is never or rarely carried out
At the end of the day a landlord on a manslaughter charge for the death of a child he / she had no direct supervision of would be an injustice IMO and questions would have to be asked of the parents or carer allowing a child to be exposed to danger
I stiil have the same view of this and it appears you are attempting to protect people from their own stupidity
Yes I know that deaths as a result of electric is low - THANK GOD! but they are still happening and that is to many as far as I am concerned.
Just found some statistics released in Feb 2012 - 20% of electric shocks happen in rented properties.
Thats 4 deaths per year (15 elsewhere)
Thats 558 injuries per year (2,230 elsewhere)
Thats 4,285 electrical fires (17,139 elsewhere)
Thats 10 people killed as a result of electrical fires (39 elsewhere)
These stats are from ESC
Yet another set of meaningless stats that actually tell us precisely NOTHING
I fully agree, its just the example he used was not the best.
I know working on cars can be really dangerous and can cause more accidents but in general working on cars is fairly safe - if something goes wrong it usually goes so wrong that you notice it (or the onboard computer does) before the car moves anywhere - deaths from poor car repairs is realtivally low - but I get what you mean!
You are dismissing this IMO with little knowledge or background in the vehicle trade and yet again expect the vehicle computer to protect the user from their own stupidity. I'm surprised you haven't supported this by more of those flawed stats you keep quoting
Friday when I installed a ciling rose in a rental property - managed to persuade them to change them as well
So you found an unshuttered socket that obviously was not a BS1363 socket or if it was, was it faulty if this is the case how long had it been faulty and had the landlord been informed again tenant damage not reported to landlord you are suggesting the landlord takes the rap
I keep saying - these are as important as the 20% rental properties but things can only be done about those who have responsibility over someone else's life
These include:
Rental Properties
Commercial
Industrial
Hospitals
Social Clubs
etc
these dont include privately owned domestic houses where the owner lives at the address
We all have responsibility for ourselves and any minors in our care abdicating responsibility and pointing the finger at others is not an option
If I go into a shop on Northumberland Street chances are it's rented, if it's in the Metrocentre then it definitely is. The owner of the premises has a legal duty of care to ensure as far as is reasonably practical that I will come to no harm. I've seen some pretty bad install in shops mate. Are you going to include these in your campaign? If not, why not?
Mainly badly installed FP on the fire alarms from what I've seen of these places
I would love to include these - but as said above commercial is not notifiable and it does not look like it will be
My personal opinion is that they should be notifiable!
Either way these shops have a duty of care exactly as you say!
If they are as bad as you say then a quiet word to the local EHP is in order!
The problem is at the moment a lot of people are coming from Europe and the rest of the world and they are used to doing their own electrics so they come here in search of a better life and they carry on with what they know!
If these became notifiable then all these problems will disappear as electricians will be carrying out the instead of Joe Blogs from the pub or Mr Muhammad from the corner shop doing his own electrics - I AM NOT RACIST!
I don't thing these issues would disappear by making it notifiable look at Part P
I have said before this is a fatally flawed crusade that has little or no substance other than protecting tenants from their own stupidity
