I like the way you say that Tony - i am in early discussions with my LA to bring in free MEICRs into all properties in my county - I will make pittance of this, at most it will pay my fuel and calibration of my MFT.
Money - dont think so.
What is an MEICR and is it worth the paper it's printed on
So the only spark able to do this will be you?....
And there;s no monetary value?
Interesting that you're prepared to do all this out of the goodness of your heart mate
So this is going to roll out across the country for free if it passes into law I see it now
www.charitysparks.com try the link to find sparks offering this service
trev if you have seen my background then you would understand
Understand what exactly that you will work for nothing
The MEICR is only to get the LA an idea of how many properties meet the criteria - this will be a one off event which will tell the LA the following:
Who has RCD
Who has bonding
Who has a upto date CU
Who has an unsafe installation.
The landlord will then be able to get the work done or have it ordered that the work is done when the licencing comes in later this year.
Yes of course i will be in the loop and will most likely profit off it some way or another with the landlords getting the work done but that is not the reason for doing it at all!
So no RCD and / or no up to date CU will be seen as a Dangerous problem then even though the installation is safe and meets the regs that were in force at the time of the original installation.
Will you declare your interest in getting this law enacted or will declaring your interest be prejudicial you getting work
We have a load of rouge builders around here who are installing Electric, Gas, Windows, etc and not getting any of it notified through BC. We also have a large number of registered sparkies signing off installs they had nothing to do with for a small fee of ÂŁ100. (NOT ME!)
These sparks dont even go on site all results are made up! This is my problem - unregistered DIYers doing work and registered sparks signing it off without even seeing it!
When you have seen the type of work which is subjected to this then you will see why i am doing this!
Do you think you are the only person that has seen this sort of work give us a break a lot of us have been in this game for a lot longer than you will be
Like I keep saying - Part P is not the problem - The problem is that people can do their own electrical work - thats not Part P - Thats that bloody European Law I can never remember the name of.
Part P has to have the sign off with LABC to comply with that Law
If I could I would try and change that European Law but I wont have a chance in hell! 27 counties obay it and it works in most of them as they are 3rd world countries.
If we didn't join the EU then and only then would there be a chance of changing the fact of joe blogs doing electrical work for mrs tight-arse
Part P has made it easy for the poorly qualified and under qualified to masquerade as electricians and for training companies to scam people out of their money for the courses
The things that I am tying to do dont forget is RCDs and EICRs
Its not costing me anything at all to do this!
If it goes ahead then fantastic - if it dont then as long as it raises an awareness then great!
Nothing lost either way
You are suggesting an installation without an RCD is unsafe when in my opinion an installation with a faulty RCD is worse how about campaigning for a self testing RCD that tests itself every 3 months or make it a legal requirement that the tennant has to press the test button every three months
Time is money so it IS costing you
believe it or not the main reason I am looking at this RCD and EICR in rental properties is that landlords have the lives of their tenants in their hands!
Some landlords (including mine) really dont care about the tenants - as long as they get their money every month then they are happy!
If they have to pay out then get out of the way!
Dont get me wrong these landlords are in the minority but they give a bad name to everyone else!
You will see that the good landlords have RCDs in there property and electrics checked every few years (along with gas)
others (take mine for example) electrics installed in 1967 and never been checked since - no RCD, no bonding, nothing and they have no intention in doing it either.
(mine been done now at my cost! - landlord paid for parts only)
How many injuries have occurred in the rental property you live in since the electrics were installed in 1967 the answer is probably none so there you have a statistic as to the level of safety afforded before you fitted an RCD
The problem these days is blame has to be laid at somebodies door if a tenant plugs in a faulty appliance it appears that their stupidity and possible injury or death is the landlords fault because he didn't fit an RCD and no doubt an RCD that isn't tested by the tenant every 3 months would be the landlords fault if it failed between EICR's.
Nicholas your whole arguement seems to based on 17th edition regs and their requirement for RCD's yet most of the installations in the UK comply with prior versions of the regs some before RCD's or ELCB's were available
The 17th edition and it's application and the teaching of electricians now appears to have an Orwellian 1984 attitude of 17th good and 16th, 15th, 14th edition is bad so issue EDN's and / or suggest the installation is unsafe.
One thing that hasn't changed throughout all the versions of the regs for the last 60 years or more is the electricity that comes out the cable supplying your property the thing that has changed is the lack of common sense and you appararently can't teach this or legislate for it but if you could develop this then you may be onto a winner in reducing injury or death from electricity
