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Hi all
im a non expert homeowner and battling to understand the regulations. And apologies for the length of the post, a long story.
we have an electrician who came to fix a small issue few weeks ago. He seemed good. through discussion he ended up taking on fuse box replacement which we knew was needed and our previous guy had failed to come back to do. He said he could test and certify it when done but when the time came he said he couldn't because his tests showed the wiring was not right, and the house needed a rewire. It All seemed plausible and it is an old house we've recently bought, so not a huge shock to hear this.
We were under the impression the whole time that he was certified, through discussion about getting a cert and because he showed us a cert he had completed with test readings. We do feel he misled us into believing he was certified in some way although we perhaps should have asked for proof.
he is now half way through the rewire and the work to us looks fine, very neat,( though he's insisting that the sockets are placed 450 up under part m, which I now don't think is required in an old house). Had full faith in him until spoke to building control and transpired when directly asked that he can't certify for them and now ive checked and he also doesn't appear on nic eic either. I gather he should have told BC before starting the work which he didn't. So he's breached the regs, right?
we liked him but we think we can't possibly let him continue if he's completely unregistered and unregulated though he may well be qualified. We are worried about all sorts of risks; if it invalidate our insurance and he may not be insured either and we'd have no recourse if issues later. Are we overreacting and how do I broach this with him as he has no idea we are considering cutting his job short.? bC said they will come and certify it for a fee but not sure that's reassuring enough to let him continue.
grateful for any advice, feels like a very difficult situation and we're just not sure what to do.
 
He should have PL insurance regardless of whether or not he is registered with a Part P scheme. This insurance is not normally provided by the scheme provider, it's just that they check that contractors have sufficient PL insurance on the annual visit, so there is little danger of a contractor not having this insurance if they are registered with a scheme

Thanks Tuttle. I guess though if I had thought he wasn't registered, I would have specifically asked and checked he has PL. He has not turned up on any of the registers provided so far, though this may be because I am not searching in the right way. I will ask him if he's registered on a scheme.
 
Thanks Tuttle. I guess though if I had thought he wasn't registered, I would have specifically asked and checked he has PL. He has not turned up on any of the registers provided so far, though this may be because I am not searching in the right way. I will ask him if he's registered on a scheme.

You should of asked if BC would of accepted his qualifications, some will.
He will not need a great lot of qualifications to satisfy entry to a competent person scheme.
Maybe you are worrying to much.
 
I have to say, after all of this, have you not just asked the fella??? We're doing all of this guess work and yet none of us really know what's going on because you haven't asked the guy a single question relating to his business status, registration details, level of qualification or PL insurance details.

Where abouts in the South East are you?
 
these schemes are just a money making racket. anyone who has done a 5 week course on basic electrical work ( a proper qualified spark has taken 3-4- years ) can join niceic, nappit. elecsa with just some basic knowledge of house wiring ( and , of course a wad of moola to join. currently around ÂŁ400 -ÂŁ500/year.
 
I have to say, after all of this, have you not just asked the fella??? We're doing all of this guess work and yet none of us really know what's going on because you haven't asked the guy a single question relating to his business status, registration details, level of qualification or PL insurance details.

Where abouts in the South East are you?

I was waiting to get to speak to him today. Which I have now done. I am sorry for the guess work, but I originally posted in order to get a better understanding and what sorts of questions to ask, and to undersrtand the answers, and implications of the situation ahead of the conversation. And I was far better able to have that discussion as a result so thank you to you and others who have contributed.

I did not state where I am more specifically as I am conscious that my understanding is poor and I don't want to do anything that might identify the person if I have unintentionally misrepresented things. Plus I am not sure that was important to the question I posted.

He has confirmed that he is not registered, or part of a scheme or body, though has qualifications. He has said membership of a competent person shceme is something he has been planning to/thinking about doing and he has offered to get an NIC inspection of the work, if we let him continue, as part of his membership app. So we are considering this and will decide whether to proceed on that basis with assurances on other points raised here e.g. insurance.

So again thanks to all for your valuable help and especially for the wealth of straightforward non-technical advice.
 
I was waiting to get to speak to him today. Which I have now done. I am sorry for the guess work, but I originally posted in order to get a better understanding and what sorts of questions to ask, and to undersrtand the answers, and implications of the situation ahead of the conversation. And I was far better able to have that discussion as a result so thank you to you and others who have contributed.

I did not state where I am more specifically as I am conscious that my understanding is poor and I don't want to do anything that might identify the person if I have unintentionally misrepresented things. Plus I am not sure that was important to the question I posted.

He has confirmed that he is not registered, or part of a scheme or body, though has qualifications. He has said membership of a competent person shceme is something he has been planning to/thinking about doing and he has offered to get an NIC inspection of the work, if we let him continue, as part of his membership app. So we are considering this and will decide whether to proceed on that basis with assurances on other points raised here e.g. insurance.

So again thanks to all for your valuable help and especially for the wealth of straightforward non-technical advice.
to become registered with a scheme like the niceic you need to show them work like this.

what will happen is the niceic will notify for you on completion to building control.

the anual fee to join a scheme is not much different to the cost bc charge for one visit
 
I was waiting to get to speak to him today. Which I have now done. I am sorry for the guess work, but I originally posted in order to get a better understanding and what sorts of questions to ask, and to undersrtand the answers, and implications of the situation ahead of the conversation. And I was far better able to have that discussion as a result so thank you to you and others who have contributed.

I did not state where I am more specifically as I am conscious that my understanding is poor and I don't want to do anything that might identify the person if I have unintentionally misrepresented things. Plus I am not sure that was important to the question I posted.

He has confirmed that he is not registered, or part of a scheme or body, though has qualifications. He has said membership of a competent person shceme is something he has been planning to/thinking about doing and he has offered to get an NIC inspection of the work, if we let him continue, as part of his membership app. So we are considering this and will decide whether to proceed on that basis with assurances on other points raised here e.g. insurance.

So again thanks to all for your valuable help and especially for the wealth of straightforward non-technical advice.

this is fairly common practice as, if he wants to join a scheme and notify through them, he will need to let them assess 1 or 2 jobs. once he's been accepted, then he has 30 days to notify the work.
 

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