Full Certificate and Minor Works Certificates

[Mattyi26]

Hi All,

Not posted on here for a few years! I have a question that i hope someone can clarify.

I need help understanding the differences between a full cert and a minor, correct me if im wrong a minor is for jobs that are non notifiable and full for special locations and notifiable works. So if i carry out both notifiable works and minor do i fill out both?
Can i do it any other way?

I recently joined Stroma and in the process of setting up my e-cert software so if anyone can tell me what they think of it?, Ihave done 2 jobs since registering which have both been consumer unit upgrades to 17th amend 3 and have used the generic IET certs hand written But How do i fill this out if just doing for example;

Adding 1 extra circuit in a special location;

Full cert with all 5 pages filled out? With the page schedule of test results only containing the 1 extra circuit i have added? How far do i go with the check sheets? Everything or anything that does not comply to current regs/amendment do i record on it?

If anyone can explain how they do it regarding different types of jobs?

Hope ive explained myself properly but cant find a simple answer on this!

Thanks in advance

Matt

 

[Risteard]

true, but a MWC only needs to be based on that shown in BS7671 and a single MWC for alterations to 2 or 3 circuits is, IMO, acceptable.

I wasn't trying to suggest that it's necessarily prohibited - I was just trying to establish if that was the form being referred to.

AFAIK it is only a NAPIT invention. I don't think it's available elsewhere (although I may be mistaken).

 

[Risteard]

http://elecsa.co.uk/Documents/Public-Documents/Contractors/BS7671-Amd1-Minor-Works-Certificate-(1).aspx

Think thats the one

Apologies, it was ELECSA rather than NAPIT (or perhaps both have versions).

 

[gnselectricals]

Apologies, it was ELECSA rather than NAPIT (or perhaps both have versions).

Yeah NAPIT have a similar one also

 

[sparksburnout]

It's all very well debating about the different variations of certificates the scams might have dreamed up, the point is, how have STROMA let this guy in when he obviously has no idea what he is doing, when it comes to issuing certificates. Hopefully he may be better at the practical side of things. I take the point about apprenticeships, but this is area is covered in most of the accepted courses that have been recognised for years. I find it quite staggering that someone who is changing CU's has no idea of the certification required.
This is typical of STROMA, spending 20 mins farting about trying to get a lock off device on a CU before taking the cover of, and not being bothered about what is really important, which speaks volumes about what they are really about.

 

[Risteard]

the point is, how have STROMA let this guy in when he obviously has no idea what he is doing, when it comes to issuing certificates.

Exactly what I was questioning in post #4!!!

 

[GETWIRED]

I thought he was just asking if he is going round the houses with his certs? And if there is a quicker way? Lol
imo atleast he's issuing a bloody certificate, every job i seem to go to recently the client has no paperwork for past work.

 

[Risteard]

every job i seem to go to recently the client has no paperwork for past work.

Whilst it's undoubtedly a hugely common problem, I suspect much of the time that the Client has indeed received the paperwork the recycling bin is soon fed it.

 

[Octopus]

I thought he was just asking if he is going round the houses with his certs? And if there is a quicker way? Lol
imo atleast he's issuing a bloody certificate, every job i seem to go to recently the client has no paperwork for past work.

no invoice and no cert......

I recently went to one where, in exchange for £550 he had a new plastic CU (this was in Dec) and no paperwork. Aparently the chap was there for about 6 hours.....

So about £470 gross profit for a days work and no tax to pay.....

and obviously no Part P

 

[gnselectricals]

no invoice and no cert......

I recently went to one where, in exchange for £550 he had a new plastic CU (this was in Dec) and no paperwork. Aparently the chap was there for about 6 hours.....

So about £470 gross profit for a days work and no tax to pay.....

and obviously no Part P

I also had a job end of Dec, upgraded bathrooms in 2 neighbouring houses owned by same people. 'New' plastic db's in each with shower circuit in 1, all accessories and db's second hand.
'Electrician' was hobbling in the nights after work and stayed in one house til 11.30 and left after disconnecting hallway light due to dual rcd trip.
No bonding in either, other house had existing l-e-n fault which was left in place, all with big promises to return.
Customers paid over £600 each per house plus my charges to put right after the other guy disappeared. No invoices, Certs or notification either

 

[GETWIRED]

no invoice and no cert......

I recently went to one where, in exchange for £550 he had a new plastic CU (this was in Dec) and no paperwork. Aparently the chap was there for about 6 hours.....

So about £470 gross profit for a days work and no tax to pay.....

and obviously no Part P

great that isnt it... How people have the balls and plain cheek to charge like that. Im crap at pricing; hold my hands up, i bet 60% of the time ive gone in to cheap and end up kicking myself - then you hear about people charging like that for a cu change.

 

[Leesparkykent]

I charge around £400-£450 for a board change.

 

[Risteard]

then you hear about people charging like that for a cu change.

I can't see the problem if people are prepared to pay it. I neither have nor seek charitable status.

 

[GETWIRED]

Is that domestic or commercial? And where abouts are you, i suppose pricing differs around the country. I only have 4-5 spark mates and i think the general price range for us is consistant at 180-260 depending on what exactly needs doing, had a few conversations about pricing etc. i need to start upping prices just for the new aches and pains that seem to be appearing everyday lol

 

[DPG]

Is that domestic or commercial? And where abouts are you, i suppose pricing differs around the country. I only have 4-5 spark mates and i think the general price range for us is consistant at 180-260 depending on what exactly needs doing, had a few conversations about pricing etc. i need to start upping prices just for the new aches and pains that seem to be appearing everyday lol

£180 for a CU change and certify? Let me know your details - you can change mine Daz

 

[Leesparkykent]

£180 for a CU change and certify? Let me know your details - you can change mine Daz

Lol 100 for an amendment 3 board, diesel, notification, time spent quoting/surveying job and time spent picking up material....might just about make around £15 for a days work haha.