Gas bond

[Paul117]

I have recently gone self employed and already had my first awkard customer.

I have quoted for a fuse board change and on my visit noticed that the gas is not bonded. The customer is happy for me to go ahead and change the fuse board but does not want to pay extra to have the gas bonded.

I am just wondering what my options are? Obviously I want to do the job correctly and bring all earthing up to standard and build a reputation as someone that goes by the book but at the same cant to afford to turn away work.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I have recently gone self employed and already had my first awkard customer.

I have quoted for a fuse board change and on my visit noticed that the gas is not bonded. The customer is happy for me to go ahead and change the fuse board but does not want to pay extra to have the gas bonded.

I am just wondering what my options are? Obviously I want to do the job correctly and bring all earthing up to standard and build a reputation as someone that goes by the book but at the same cant to afford to turn away work.

tell these lot no gas bond....no C/U change....its a requirement Paul

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whats the existing CSA of the water bond as well here Paul?

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and the earthing arrangements

 

[MDJ]

cant to afford to turn away work.

You may have to, reputation is everything

 

[rattlehead85]

Fuse board change is notifiable. To notify it you need to comply with regs. To comply with regs you need to confirm the earthing and bonding is adequate to proceed with the work. In your case it clearly isn't. If the client refuses the work complies then you look for the front door and you walk through it leaving the client looking for somebody who is prepared to put their name against an unsafe job.

 

[Paul117]

Water bond is 6mm but not 600mm from stop tap. Gas bond involves drilling kitchen wall under kick board then through utility in MT1 and bonding at point of entry. Parque floor and bathroom above so no other option. Quoted him £70 for gas bond and he huffed and puffed. 15m run picking up water bond at stop tap on the way.

Responses are what I expected really. It's a friend of a friend so quoted him a little less than the norm. Like to see him find it cheaper. Some people hey?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Water bond is 6mm but not 600mm from stop tap. Gas bond involves drilling kitchen wall under kick board then through utility in MT1 and bonding at point of entry. Parque floor and bathroom above so no other option. Quoted him £70 for gas bond and he huffed and puffed. 15m run picking up water bond at stop tap on the way.

Responses are what I expected really. It's a friend of a friend so quoted him a little less than the norm. Like to see him find it cheaper. Some people hey?

well i would be upgrading that water bond anyway and even so...if a TN-C-S it would have been a fail anyway....

 

[GLENNSPARK]

it says 600mm ideally....

oh and £70 is about right for bond..

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[rattlehead85]

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Glennspark mate we need to be careful saying a 6mm2 bond to a service fails when fed by a tn-c-s system.This is not correct. The regs aren't retrospective mate. As long as the bond is continuos, labeled, accessible and shows no signs of heat damage or corrosion at its connection point this would only warrant a code 3 departure which does not constitute a fail. A C3 code advises improvement but does not indicate an unsafe condition.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Glennspark mate we need to be careful saying a 6mm2 bond to a service fails when fed by a tn-c-s system.This is not correct. The regs aren't retrospective mate. As long as the bond is continuos, labeled, accessible and shows no signs of heat damage or corrosion at its connection point this would only warrant a code 3 departure which does not constitute a fail. A C3 code advises improvement but does not indicate an unsafe condition.

hmm....well i`v always had them as a (2)....

 

[Paul117]

Thanks mr rattle head. Exactly what I thought.

 

[Dan the spark]

Maybe next time just include the bonding in the cost of your fuseboard change that's what I do as 9 times out of 10 the bonding is undersized. It seems that if this customer is unwilling to have the bonding upgraded then you may just have to pass this job by. It's best to start as you mean to go on and build your company up as a reputable trader as opposed to one that will cut corners just to get work.

 

[rattlehead85]

Glennspark mate we need to be careful saying a 6mm2 bond to a service fails when fed by a tn-c-s system.This is not correct. The regs aren't retrospective mate. As long as the bond is continuos, labeled, accessible and shows no signs of heat damage or corrosion at its connection point this would only warrant a code 3 departure which does not constitute a fail. A C3 code advises improvement but does not indicate an unsafe condition.

hmm....well i`v always had them as a (2)....

That's what we are here for mate to help each other. You'd be correct in attributing a C2 if the bond was less than 6mm or showed deterioration. If you failed a 6mm and replaced it and the client got a second opinion you would have trouble explaining the best practice guide was wrong especially if one of the scammer scheme engineers was involved..

 

[GLENNSPARK]

That's what we are here for mate to help each other. You'd be correct in attributing a C2 if the bond was less than 6mm or showed deterioration. If you failed a 6mm and replaced it and the client got a second opinion you would have trouble explaining the best practice guide was wrong especially if one of the scammer scheme engineers was involved..

well i doubt they would lol...see my concern here is if you lost the neutral on a TN-C-S with undersized bonding....but i also understand the retrospective nature of ECRs...even though the testing side of things isn`t...

 

[rattlehead85]

That's what we are here for mate to help each other. You'd be correct in attributing a C2 if the bond was less than 6mm or showed deterioration. If you failed a 6mm and replaced it and the client got a second opinion you would have trouble explaining the best practice guide was wrong especially if one of the scammer scheme engineers was involved..

well i doubt they would lol

Don't believe that!! People want ought for nout especially at the moment. If your gonna charge 'em for uprating a perfectly acceptable bond and they realise it wasn't necessary your hard earned reputation could go!

 

[Robert Turnbull]

That's on a eicr. You haven't to comply with 17th if you change the fuse board