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People maybe thought you wern't genuine when your definition of basic is totally different to the dictionarys.
Yes, it will take you years. Go to college get enrolled on the 2357 course for a few years, then with onsite practical experience gained by working alongside a qualified and competent electrician you can then take the next step and get enrolled on the 2394/2395 inspection and testing courses. Along with the 17th.
so first off... why would i not be genuine? I don't get why I've come back to this post and there are a bunch of semi mocking responses?
Thanks for your recommendation trev but we have a sparky we use at the moment who is no problem. I am looking to expand my knowledge as a beginner (so I can do basic wiring) and have no idea where to start, the long term goal of this is to be able to check of full rewires.This is long term and might be years from now. Apologies if this was unclear at first.
But as of today. I am confused and have no idea were my first port of call should be....
Why would I not think you are genuine? Well let's see, 1 There's the way you come on and use the terminology you did. 2 There's the statement just made about having a spark already, why are you not asking him. 3 The obvious assumption that what we do is easy and can be done by anyone with a modicum of instruction. If you are genuine then I'm sorry if I've offended you but you have to see that what you said is offensive to me as someone who spent years studying to learn this trade as a young lad and who hears builders/plumbers/plasterers/joiners et al coming out with stuff like "It's just a few wires what can possibly go wrong" As Mark said, you'd be happy to employ someone to install a heating system but you reckon you could cope with a rewire between you and your mate (after receiving instructions over the internet thus doing your current spark out of work? Don't make me laugh mate
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Sorry, Mark beat me to it and probably put it more delicately.
Re: general builder looking for basic electrical training(without wasting time and mo
Where I stay builders build.sparks spark.handymen dabble in everything ,usually badly.to do it properly will take time make no mistake.yet another example of the concept of teaching a bit of a trade and thinking that's all there is to it. I don't think your current spark will be too keen to pass his pearls of wisdom on to you if he gets wind you want to do it yourself.
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Well said and also I as I am sure most of us feel this is not just a part time job we do. Our trade changes all the time and you need to be part of it 24/7 to move with it.
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putting it another way. if the building trade was as bad as ours - thousands of semi-skilled builders undercutting your prices to the point where you could not get enough work at a decent price to pay your bills, would you encourage someone to enter your trade and take even more work off you?
Well said and also I as I am sure most of us feel this is not just a part time job we do. Our trade changes all the time and you need to be part of it 24/7 to move with it.
No Stuart that's obviously bull and our trade is a piece of ****. Tell you what OP, just go to B & Q They have friendly helpful experts there that will tell you its 1.5mm cable for lights 2.5mm for sockets and 6mm for showers and cookers. They'll even tell you how to install a consumer unit. Don't worry about calculations for cable derating and selection, safe isolation, prescribed zones, protective device selection or anything else of that worthless crap, just buy what the expert tells you and chuck it in any old how. Never mind about pre work surveys, or initial verification inspection, testing and certification because no one else is interested. You don't even have to worry that what you've done is safe because it's not like electricity is dangerous is it? Oh hang on a minute, it is. they used to use it in America to execute murderers
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hey dude dont mean to have touched a nerve about your trade.... i get that its complicated and was only asking for advice, if i came across the wrong way or explained my goals in a nieve manner.... it because yes your right! i dont have a clue about your trade. you've kinda just jumped off the handle and got all angry and wound up with me, so I guess I can only apologies for belittling your trade in whatever way i have done.
im not looking to do you, or the guy that works with me out of work.....the guy is a legend. but i hate on a personal level not being able to do something or understand it.
I just want to learn more and expand but didnt know where to start. thankfully i think ive got enough out of this post to get me thinking.
Re: general builder looking for basic electrical training(without wasting time and mo
College college college!! There is NO other way to learn. (Unless u want to take an apprentice wage which I'm sure as a builder, you don't)
stick to building, get through college like the rest of us who want to do rewires and make money, then work with a spark. Electrics aren't to be F'ed with if your not competent, but I'm sure as a builder you already know that.
house rewiring isn't something you pick up quick either, you may know how and where to put cables, but then there's all the calculations and cable choices behind those for about 50 different reasons....and that's what separates a 'domestic installer' from a good spark.
And I'm going to make my own quote up here that I think stands for the Electricians trade...(feedback too please)
Re: general builder looking for basic electrical training(without wasting time and mo
You shouldnt be "checking off rewires"?? as a builder, In fact you shouldnt be doing anything electrical as a builder, If you want to be a spark then fine, go through the correct training, but you wont be checking off anything for at least 4-5 years, and rightly so
Re: general builder looking for basic electrical training(without wasting time and mo
Look mate, I'm sorry for coming across all bolshie and arrogant as if I'm some kind of electrical god who's black arts and secrets passed down to him by the mystical forebears during his apprenticeship are not for the uninitiated because that's not usually me. It just annoys the life out of me when we get the plumber/joiner/plasterer etc on here with the attitude that you can get a reasonably intelligent monkey to do this stuff. That's perhaps not you and once again, sorry for picking up your questioning the wrong way
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As a builder.... and the state of the domestic electrical market and the salaries we have had to take due to thousands of get qualified quick courses you are probably on more than most domestic sparkies now, stick to it and find the niche in your own market.
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and thanks for the clarfications
