Going beyond PAT testing

[vale.maio2]

I don't know how you are getting into this from a PA test.

I'm not, I just take a note of it and report it to both the client and the company, that's it.

How many households in this country do think have dedicated sockets for Use outside? yes I think you are being to picky, common sense rules in this area, not blindly following some edict written by alien entities.

Well, my common sense tells me that is bad practice. I don't care how many houses use this solution.
How many times I've seen people proving a circuit isolated with a neon screwdriver...
Does it become acceptable just because many are doing it?
This is not blindly following some rules, this is just my common sense which might be different from yours or anyone else's.

 

[Flanders]

It's a bit like an electrician doing an eicr and then pulling the clients appliances apart....

He's not there to check the appliances and your not there to check the fixed wiring.

But if i was doing an eicr and noticed an appliance that was dangerous i would tell the customer not to use it , not just ignore it and hope the customer does not get an electric shock from it .

 

[Pete999]

I'm not, I just take a note of it and report it to both the client and the company, that's it.


Well, my common sense tells me that is bad practice. I don't care how many houses use this solution.
How many times I've seen people proving a circuit isolated with a neon screwdriver...
Does it become acceptable just because many are doing it?
This is not blindly following some rules, this is just my common sense which might be different from yours or anyone else's.

Only trying to help, I'm out

 

[westward10]

I am totally lost is this for a wheelchair charger or a lawnmower.

 

[Ian1981]

But if i was doing an eicr and noticed an appliance that was dangerous i would tell the customer not to use it , not just ignore it and hope the customer does not get an electric shock from it .

Yeah inform them but your not there to check appliances like kettles and toasters.

 

[mattg4321]

Yes you're right, my mistake as I was writing in a rush. That power supply was actually inside the zone 0, as it was inside a large shower for wheelchairs.

I very much doubt it'd be zone 0. Most likely zone 1.

Stick to PAT'ing mate

 

[westward10]

Doing a PAT you need to check suitability of equipment for the environment. I assume this is an accessible shower room and has no bath? Is it a charger or a power supply for the lift.

 

[Specialist]

I am totally lost is this for a wheelchair charger or a lawnmower.

From what I can read of it, The customer is using a wheelchair charger in a shower cubicle & the o/p doesn't agree with the use of a lawnmower plugged into a socket on an RFC. Apparently it's against 17th edition regs.

 

[vale.maio2]

Let me clear this out. I was talking about two problems in two different locations. One was a battery charger being used INSIDE a shower (so clearly zone 0), another problem was a lawn mower used on a RFC. Two different issues in two different places. Sorry about the confusion.
I know I'm there just to PAT test but, as most of you said, if I notice something wrong why not report it? Just let them be aware of the problem and tell them to get an electrician to fix it, if necessary. OC I won't be fixing anything, as I'm not there for that.
As for the common sense part I wasn't attacking anyone or saying "my opinion is better than yours". I'm just saying that MY common sense was telling me that the lawn mower thing was a no-no, but it might be acceptable for others.

 

[Flanders]

Yeah inform them but your not there to check appliances like kettles and toasters.

Yes i know but the OP is asking if he should report dangers he comes across that are not PAT relacted durring his PA testing not should he inpect the electrical installation. All I am saying is if you come across a danger of any kind be it electrical or other i would report the danger , but I would not go out of may way to find dangers that are not related to the job i am there to do

 

[mattg4321]

I assume if it is an accessible shower room, then it either has a very shallow shower basin or no shower basin/tray at all. In which case zone 0 only extends to 0.1m from the floor. Is the battery charger sitting on the floor of the shower!?

What do you think is wrong with plugging a lawnmower into a RFC?

 

[vale.maio2]

Yes i know but the OP is asking if he should report dangers he comes across that are not PAT relacted durring his PA testing not should he inpect the electrical installation. All I am saying is if you come across a danger of any kind be it electrical or other i would report the danger , but I would not go out of may way to find dangers that are not related to the job i am there to do

You got exactly my question. And as you said, I'm talking about potential hazards I stumble across, I'm not looking for them actively.

 

[Flanders]

Let me clear this out. I was talking about two problems in two different locations. One was a battery charger being used INSIDE a shower (so clearly zone 0), another problem was a lawn mower used on a RFC. Two different issues in two different places. Sorry about the confusion.
I know I'm there just to PAT test but, as most of you said, if I notice something wrong why not report it? Just let them be aware of the problem and tell them to get an electrician to fix it, if necessary. OC I won't be fixing anything, as I'm not there for that.
As for the common sense part I wasn't attacking anyone or saying "my opinion is better than yours". I'm just saying that MY common sense was telling me that the lawn mower thing was a no-no, but it might be acceptable for others.

Is the shower being used or is it now just a room used to charge the wheal chair , i have seen shower rooms used as store were the shower is still in place but has the water and electric isolated, (normally in commercial enviroments though)

 

[Specialist]

There's an awful lot of disabled people out there, that store their Wheelchairs / chargers in the shower / wetroom simply because they live in small houses & have nowhere else to put them.

 

[westward10]

Two questions then, is the shower room in use and is the charger suitable for the environment.