Good news!

[D Skelton]

I've been invited by Mr Betts' office to attend Parliament on the 6th to sit on the panel at the next committee meeting enquiring into the effectiveness of self certification schemes!

I hope Parliamentary privileges extend to me, I am known for being rather outspoken!

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Also , I ave a friend ( a young friend ) who is just adding t his appntiship by doing NVQ3, he has spoken to JIB and even when completed wont be able to get a Gold card for 2 years , yet qualified 3 yrs ago

Not true. JIB will issue a gold card immediately on production of NVQ 3 pass. I think you may be getting confused with his application to get 'approved' status which is 2391 and 2 years experience after gaining NVQ 3. HTH.

 

[ipf]

I didn’t get where I am today by …… CJ in the Rise and Fall of Reginald Perrin.

Sounds like today's trade.........Sunshine Desserts to Grot

 

[Knobhead]

When ''electricians'' are being employed for under £10 an hour, as is obviously the case in some situations, bo££ox to the press. Many of these are nothing more than labourers, being paid as such, underpricing and undermining the trade with sinking standards

Once the standard rises and weeds out the lower levels then the pay will rise. Supply and demand, simple as. It will take time but it will come.

At the end of the day the domestic side let everyone down by rushing to join the scams. The scams brought about the poor standards we have now due to greed, The knock on effect, we all suffered.

In the early 70’s I started in the quarry industry, we needed another electrician to replace a retiree. Talking to the works manager he made the statement, “There are no unemployed electricians in the area. Only the unemployable!”

Now electricians are ten a penny! Except for experienced industrials, we are dwindling simply because like me they’ve retired. I was shop steward when the company stopped taking on apprentices and warned we were heading for disaster. The reason for stopping the apprenticeships, the government cut the training funding.

I was forced in to retirement due to my health. I didn’t want to finish, I enjoyed myself.

 

[happysteve]

This has been an interesting read. Very best of luck to those who have been invited to sit on the panel.

I hope you are discussing the details of your strategy in the Arms or somewhere off-grid, as this thread probably isn't the place to do so. (If you're throwing The Man a curveball with your thoughts and discussions in this thread, then fair play to yer )

 

[ipf]

Once the standard rises and weeds out the lower levels then the pay will rise. Supply and demand, simple as. It will take time but it will come.

At the end of the day the domestic side let everyone down by rushing to join the scams. The scams brought about the poor standards we have now due to greed, The knock on effect, we all suffered.

In the early 70’s I started in the quarry industry, we needed another electrician to replace a retiree. Talking to the works manager he made the statement, “There are no unemployed electricians in the area. Only the unemployable!”

Now electricians are ten a penny! Except for experienced industrials, we are dwindling simply because like me they’ve retired. I was shop steward when the company stopped taking on apprentices and warned we were heading for disaster. The reason for stopping the apprenticeships, the government cut the training funding.

I was forced in to retirement due to my health. I didn’t want to finish, I enjoyed myself.

When we joined the NICEIC, a scam generally involved the cowboys who have always been around and always will be. How things change, I suppose, due to the get rich quick brigade, who soil society. These include many of today's course providers, who, as far as I am concerned, are no more than the 'wide boys' of old, knowing nothing about the trade but spotting a 'good thing' when they see it.

I know quite a bit about the industrial side of the industry having been in contracting for over 40 years and witnessing it's demise, to our mutual dismay, I'm sure.

This scourge, that is engulfing our trade, has to be stopped.

If it is contained, I, along with yourself, probably won't be around to reap the benefit. I only hope that plenty, like us, are still involved before it's a case of 'too little too late'.

 

[Engineer54]

And how do you propose the authorities deal with these 'criminals'? lol. Lock em up? C'mon, get real. Why be reactive when you can be proactive!

The Daves down the pub have always been around, what happens to them, if and when they cause injury or death?? Ex so-called DI's will be in the same boat, operating if you like without a license. You'll never stop it, the same as you'll never stop the shed's and other big retail outlets from selling electrical materials, at least they won't be officially trading under the guise of being electricians, so i think i am being real. I'm all for closing down the part Pee scams and training centers in favour of a National Register of Qualified Electricians with a meaningful entry criteria, but restrictive sale of electrical goods is a dead duck in the water, which should be forgotten about at this point in time and concentrate on the complete demise of the so-called ''Domestic Installer'' once and for all!!


I'm all for being proactive in that corner!! lol!!

 

[D Skelton]

The Daves down the pub have always been around, what happens to them, if and when they cause injury or death?? Ex so-called DI's will be in the same boat, operating if you like without a license. You'll never stop it, the same as you'll never stop the shed's and other big retail outlets from selling electrical materials, at least they won't be officially trading under the guise of being electricians, so i think i am being real. I'm all for closing down the part Pee scams and training centers in favour of a National Register of Qualified Electricians with a meaningful entry criteria, but restrictive sale of electrical goods is a dead duck in the water, which should be forgotten about at this point in time and concentrate on the complete demise of the so-called ''Domestic Installer'' once and for all!!


I'm all for being proactive in that corner!! lol!!

Agreed, it is impossible to eat an elephant in one go! But it could be done eventually. It could be done now at the click of a finger, but you're right, realisticly this is not going to happen. As you quite rightly say, at this moment in time, my fight is with the scams, anything else is an ideal. It's still nice to dream though, and when someone asks for my opinion on the ideal scenario, banning the sheds from selling electrical equipment is part of it.

 

[UNG]

There are so many areas that need addressing to return the trade to a fully and properly trained trade that can adopt some sort of licensing system. While the schemes should take some of the responsibility for the current issues the City & Guilds and EAL are also in the mix in the dash for cash.

The City & Guilds need to look at course entry requirements and actually enforce them for the likes of the 239X and 2382 courses, endorsement of the quick training providers bespoke brief training courses needs to be amended or withdrawn as for me it destroys the respect that C&G had as a standard setter for trade training built up over many years

The big question is can things be tightened up and higher standards set or has the precedent been set at the low entry level that now exists because of possible litigation by those who will be affected by a raising of the bar and need more training to continue to ply their trade.

One thing that is not in doubt is that the industry has to restore some of the old values if this trade is to get back to what it once was an electrician needs to be an electrician not a limited scope pretender

I hope those attending do get the chance to put forward some constructive input that gets a fair hearing and is not overpowered and pushed to one side by the schemes and others with a vested interest in retaining the current not fit for purpose system. One thing for certain it will be interesting to hear the final outcome

 

[Engineer54]

The big question is can things be tightened up and higher standards set or has the precedent been set at the low entry level that now exists because of possible litigation by those who will be affected by a raising of the bar and need more training to continue to ply their trade.

A suitable time period will obviously need to be introduced to allow time for the existing pretenders to further their training in order for them to attain ''recognised'' minimum qualifications for entry onto the national register. After that period has expired, any and all legal and/or official status allowing them to continue in the industry to be removed...

I agree fully with your take on the C&G institute, they have played an important part in the present mess in allowing supplementary courses to be taken without basic entry requirements being taken.

 

[Octopus]

The biggest issue is that there is ABSOLUTELY NOBODY responsible for "policing" the situation so things continue to get worse.

 

[Engineer54]

The biggest issue is that there is ABSOLUTELY NOBODY responsible for "policing" the situation so things continue to get worse.

A National Register of Qualified Electricians will ''Need to have teeth'' to police the system. Where in extreme cases, prosecutions will be brought against offenders....

 

[brucelee]

Don't forget to claim your £300 quid attendance allowance (The Sun today)

Yeah even if your there less than an hour before they bungle you into a suitcase
good luck mate give them hell

 

[HappyHippyDad]

I've been invited by Mr Betts' office to attend Parliament on the 6th to sit on the panel at the next committee meeting enquiring into the effectiveness of self certification schemes!

I hope Parliamentary privileges extend to me, I am known for being rather outspoken!

Good for you Mr Skelton,

I hope you dont slate us Domestic Installers off too much, some of us work to the regs and try our hardest to do a good, safe job.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Don't forget to claim your £300 quid attendance allowance (The Sun today)

He'll need that to spend on Speed to keep him awake.
I've seen these things on TV etc, mind numbingly boring is an understatement!

 

[Gavin A]

Prepare to be given your chance to speak, then everything you've said be completely ignored.