Got a call from a mate earlyer...

[AlanWirral]

Well a few weeks back a mate of mine called to ask me to do a job for him. Basically fitting an extractor fan in a bathroom.

I was too busy so the 'Builder' doing the bathroom got a 'Spark' to come and do it for them. Now today i got a call to come and have a look at the job as they didn't think it was right

When i got there i was told there were two basicaly 'Young lads' doing the work and they had wrecked the ceiling and smashed an expensive lampshade on the landing

Walking up the stairs i see the cover off the pendent on the landing and a new 2 core 1.5mm T&E wired into the switched live so they then run it in the loft space (over the joists) and down the inside of the bathroom wall, drilled through to a surface mounted switched fused spur on the outside of the bathroom above the door.

Then from that into the loft space (over joists) down the wall to a ceramic air vent that had been smashed from a rectangle into a resembled 'round' hole. What was more shocking is the fan needs to be selv as it can be touched from the bath easily AND the loft hatch is in the bathroom with the existing fitting (pendent) right next to it!

Going to rewire and isolte accordingly with IP rated DL's and a ELV fan fed from above. How the hell does this stuff still go on

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Unreal, call them back on the promise of more work, then core a new hole in the wall with their heads!

 

[Octopus]

And did they give your mate a certificate?

 

[AlanWirral]

Nope no certs...Strange lol

 

[morph]

why does the fan need to be selv ?

 

[simpson93]

take em to court?

 

[AlanWirral]

why does the fan need to be selv ?

No RCD protection and touchable from the bath

 

[Octopus]

why does the fan need to be selv ?

Zones in bathrooms!

 

[morph]

forgeting the rcd for a minute
if it is zone 1 it dont need to be selv if it is ipx4 though because its permantly fixed equipment, touchable from the bath does not mean it needs to be selv

 

[morph]

table 8.1 OSG , seems to suggest to me it does not need to be selv if its zone 1

 

[Electricalserv]

Are they trading under a scheme?

 

[AlanWirral]

I dount it ElectricalServ!

Just looked at Table 8.1 and it seems if IPX4 is used then Mains ventilation is allowed as long as it's fixed....

 

[AlanWirral]

Are they trading under a scheme?

Is Lester Bell your Inspector mate?

 

[Octopus]

table 8.1 OSG , seems to suggest to me it does not need to be selv if its zone 1

"IEE Regulations (U.K.) require that a conventional mains voltage fan in a bathroom or shower must be located where it cannot be touched by a person using the bath or shower and well away from any water spray."

Hence why a SELV unit should be recommended in Zone 1 (IMO)

 

[topquark]

forgeting the rcd for a minute
if it is zone 1 it dont need to be selv if it is ipx4 though because its permantly fixed equipment, touchable from the bath does not mean it needs to be selv

Bathroom Fan/steam=selv IMHO, most are anyway. Not a great cost differential so why wouldn't you?