green deal provider

[Energetic]

i see no benefit for a tenant unless council tax changes. or they are concerned about their c02 footprint...

 

[SolarCity]

i see no benefit for a tenant unless council tax changes. or they are concerned about their c02 footprint...

Depending on the improvement they could get a warmer house. Or if they have a particularly old boiler then it will give them a little more reliability.

I suppose the good thing for the tenant is that there probably is no real downside.

 

[SRE]

Cashflow alert! Cashflow alert! Just a word about becoming a Green Deal Provider and only from our own local perspective, although I understand it's replicated in other parts of the country. The reason a lot of people aren't going down the provider route is the cashflow issues. As I understand it unless you've got access to several millions to keep you going til your cashflow is resolved it's potentially a lot worse than starting with solar when you had to wait for 3 months for your vat.

If you're providing finance as a GDP your contractors will still want paid within 30 days at the most. Finance companies are talking about making payments in 90 - 120 days. A lot of big companies have walked away because they can't deal with the cashflow implications.

10 x GDL @ 10k = 100k and that's only half of what MEP reckons you might need to keep afloat each month. You have to pay your contractors (or yourself if you are the contractor) but your 100k won't come through for 120 days. Stumped at the first hurdle, that's why the big guys are becoming GDP's and the little guys will have to collect the crumbs.

If I've missed something I apologise, but I was having a discussion about this 2 weeks ago with some other businesses in our area and it appears to be a major stumbling block.

 

[Energetic]

How does one become a provider then and what are you guys expecting to make each job?

 

[Eco Deal]

its unclear at the moment on profits

 

[Somecamel]

Might I be so bold- If I am to invest in becoming a GD provider, I will be making a service charge on installers work- similar to subbing work out at the moment. How on earth are we going to make any money if we don't do this!?

On the point, How on Earth can you charge for a GD assessment? We want the customers to do this remember

 

[Gavin A]

I believe the GD assessment will be paid for as a kick back from either the GD installer or provider, but presumably only if the person goes ahead with some work.

 

[Somecamel]

The buck stops with the provider, they are at the top of the hierarchy so they need to make some money. The way I see it, if I do go down the Provider route, I'm gonna need a big marketing budget to keep the assessors and installers in work otherwise the GD will fail. How much the GP makes is down to 'Market Forces'. Competition will come and drive down prices, remember PV

 

[Eco Deal]

I think the money in the green deal will be doing lots of small jobs local.

If your a provider then you make the green deal plans but they have to apply to the golden rule.
each jon not going to have major profits I dont think,

GDA will either work on price per Assessment and charge the Providers or installers I guess.
because an installer could get a GDA to do an assessment then take the assessment to a provider to get the work done .

theres many options I losing my mind.

is the funding delayed to jan 2013 now????

do you think more dealys are likely??

 

[SolarCity]

I think the money in the green deal will be doing lots of small jobs local.

This is precisely how I see it.

 

[Eco Deal]

Works cost for green deal I pulled these off a few epc's these are estimated cost of green deal measures .
Cavity wall 500-1500 saves 834
Floor insulation 800-1200 saves 96
Draught proofing 80-120 saves 87
30mm jacket 15-30 saves 231
Replace boiler 2200 –300
Solar heating 4000 – 6000
Internal – external wall insulation – 4000-14000 saves 597
Fan assisted storage heaters 1200-1600
Loft insulation 350

 

[SRE]

Thanks MEP, where you say saves over what period is the saving?

 

[Eco Deal]

I can not rememeber I did it a while back while researching.

Does any body own a cavity wall insualtion blowing machine?

Or do you know where a decent / small / and fairly cheap ones are for sale?

 

[Eco Deal]

also any know decent insulation wholesalers ??

 

[sedgy34]

I can not rememeber I did it a while back while researching.

Does any body own a cavity wall insualtion blowing machine?

Or do you know where a decent / small / and fairly cheap ones are for sale?

my friend had cavity wall insulation done they drilled a hole and put in the hole a telescopic rod put in the insulation, there way of doing it. the insulation got into the chimney flue and filled it up,when he put his fire on his co2 detectors were going off!! room full of fumes etc transco came out switched of the gas, he then had this company back to sort out the problem and they re inburssed him £500,blaming the way the house was built years ago.
not worth going to jail for is it.
imo its ok doing cavity insulation as long as you know the chimney is completely sealed.