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Hi all

Just changed a light fitting for a customer who then said - I've noticed some green sludge coming out of the light switches, can you tell me what it is. I removed a couple of switches and sure enough, there is a green 'goo' on the cables, looking like it has run down the cable from above. consistency is like swarfega - any idea what it is??
 
Andy the green sludge as jason says is a chemical reaction between the copper and the PVC basically the PVC is breaking down , you have to asume that all the cabling is effected ,and could cause problems , ive come accross the same problem ,had to rewire ,cover you back mate check the sockets and dist board , but get it in writing that you recommend a rewire:(

aggree totaly;)
 
Found this about it.

Green gunge is most prevalent in cables made between 1965 and 1971. The
gunge is degraded di-isoctyl phthalate and is the result of the reaction
between the plasticisor in the insulation and the copper. Between 1965 and
1971 the temprature performance of PVC was uprated by the inclusion of an
anti-oxidant in to the PVC. An unappreciated side effect was that the
anti-oxident encouraged the production of exudate.
Evidence suggests that that high ambient temperatures accelarate the
process. The exudate is of low flammability and low toxicity. Although
unsightly it does not reduce the electrical integity of the conductor or the
insulation.

See also the draft BCA statement (April 2001) below: -

1) PVC
PVC comes in two main grades, plasticised and unplasticised PVC.
Unplasticised PVC (UPVC) is used for example in double glazing window frames
where a rigid material is required.
The PVC used for manufacture of cables is a plasticised PVC that conforms to
the relevant British Standard for the cable type in question.

2) Ageing effects
As a cable ages; (at temperatures above normal ambient), the elongation to
break decreases (also the Insulation Resistance increases). The life
expectancy of a cable is arbitrarily considered to be when the elongation to
break of the PVC is 50%.
A lower elongation to break value could be considered suitable especially
for a fixed wiring cable. Therefore, providing the cable is not subject to
movement or when moved due to inspection of socket outlet or the like, the
PVC does not crack, a much lower value of elongation to break is considered
by some as suitable.

3) Greening
Greening is the appearance of a wet green substance that is a product of an
adverse reaction between certain types of plasticiser and the copper
conductors. This greening, which is a rare occurrence, can happen either
after a long period of time for some cables, or if the cable has been
severely overheated.
The plasticiser itself is a clear oily liquid that is non conductive. The
green substance is a combination of copper oxide and plasticiser which may
become conductive under certain adverse conditions.

4) Action if Greening is found
Therefore whenever this green substance is found at socket outlets etc.
initially it should be removed and the terminations cleaned (gloves should
be used) otherwise it is possible that tracking/overheating may occur. It is
strongly recommended that rewiring should be carried out as soon as
possible.

If further information is required, the original cable manufacturer should
be contacted

i can smell the quality top reply
 
disagree. It does conduct electricity. Its a rewire. Its also oe of those chemicals that every one is guarded about (the boffins not us ) are we gonna be the next asbestiois group in 20 years time ? My advice is dont touch.
 
Thanks Mogga, we just dont know, do we. I am working all my life and I dont want the retirement bit to be buggered up by bad health. Another comment I wish to give top marks to is the one about sintras Brain- we all have questions on here and by god we need people with the answers like sintra and to be fair, the other moderators.
 
Its one of those gray area's , i agree with jason could be harmful ,but one thing id like to add ,why have they not banned fibre glass insulation spend all day in a loft in summer itch like a dog choke arghh

As for Sintra , every electrician needs help we can read the regs know our stuff do the best job we can as proffesionals all i can say is Mate thanks for your support and professionalisum what i have read is so easy to understand and makes sense the human version of the regs , High respect:)
 
disagree. It does conduct electricity. Its a rewire. Its also oe of those chemicals that every one is guarded about (the boffins not us ) are we gonna be the next asbestiois group in 20 years time ? My advice is dont touch.


mate i got some green gunge on my fingers today,forgot about it and was rubbing my eyelid,burning sensation,this was before i got on the forum to ask what this green gunge was,well now im well up to speed on it,when i saw the word toxic my bottom fellout.
 

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