Help need to change ceiling light

[telectrix]

the earth tag is clearly shown on that last photo. it's that ring with a tag, under the shakeproof washers.

 

[telectrix]

obviously a life is not worth £40 to OP. get a bloody electrician round FFS.

 

[DJ Ovengloves]

**** facepalm ****

 

[westward10]

obviously a life is not worth £40 to OP. get a bloody electrician round FFS.

Think he has gone now.

 

[elsparko]

this is a loop in system, where the feed is inside the light fitting instead of at the switch, usually to make running cables through conduit easier due to less/smaller cables being able to be used.

usually you wont have a neutral at the switch, rarely will you have a seperate earth, 9.9/10 its going to be just a common and switch wire at the switch.

 

[Russ9411]

I'm still here. It works. I understand and thought that the earth would need to be conected to the metal light but it wasn't conected to the single light, it was as it is in the first picture. When the sparkie comes and does my down lighters I'll get him to do it. I only asked which wire went into which hole because the new light came with just a strip of three conections E L N but the old had four different conections .

 

[telectrix]

I'm still here. It works. I understand and thought that the earth would need to be conected to the metal light but it wasn't conected to the single light, it was as it is in the first picture. When the sparkie comes and does my down lighters I'll get him to do it. I only asked which wire went into which hole because the new light came with just a strip of three conections E L N but the old had four different conections .

see posts #22 and #31. all is revealed.

 

[Russ9411]

As for the £40 to do it, I'd be happy to of payed that but two wanted £50 call out and £30 to fit it.
£50 call out ffs, it's not an emergency.

 

[telectrix]

that's a rip-off, but it's what you get for living in the affluent south-east. up here a £40 call-out would also cover labour time up to an hour. then again, we don't have to pay congestion charges, parking fees etc. and our vans are usually found where we left them.

 

[DJ Ovengloves]

That’s the crux....it’s simple to get electrons flowing, the trick is getting them to do it safely and stop when it’s goes wrong.

It is no exaggeration to state the light, in its current state is dangerous and would only need a live (and on some conditions a neutral) to come lose and touch the metal of the new fitting to turn the whole fitting live.....with a functioning earth at this point it would go bang, but at least you would be safe. Currently your fitting will sit at mains voltage awaiting the unwary.

Please be careful.

I'm still here. It works. I understand and thought that the earth would need to be conected to the metal light but it wasn't conected to the single light, it was as it is in the first picture. When the sparkie comes and does my down lighters I'll get him to do it. I only asked which wire went into which hole because the new light came with just a strip of three conections E L N but the old had four different conections .

 

[Russ9411]

I've taken all the information in and this is this conclusion I've come to as to it being fitted correctly. (See pictures)
I really didn't like the the sounds of it going wrong.
If still not correct I'm going to put the old fitting back and wait for when my downlighters are being fitted

 

[Russ9411]

This will be my very last atempt. Reds on their own single black to brown (L) two blacks to blue (N) E wired to E on the light unit.

 

[Russ9411]

There we go!

 

[telectrix]

looks good from where i'm sitting. just cut those spare choc block ways (next to the 3 reds) off.

 

[Russ9411]

I've now cut them off.
Thanks to ALL for your help.