Help. Socket removal

[tanglewood]

Not going to argue JUD, but all sparks are different all do their own thing as long as it complies, but i would never join a cable and see it plastered over.

 

[1shortcircuit]

Absolutely not.....apart from invisible joints in the wall,you will have live cables not in a safe zone....these sort of bodges are garanteed future problems.

If it's worth doing then it's worth doing right and being able to go home and sleep at night.

I was recently asked to do a similar job and was instructed by the boss to just remove accessories, join in the backbox and bag up so that they could be plastered over... Umm< don't flipping think so!!!

As has already been pointed out, there will be live cables concealed within the walls with no indication that they are there. You need to stick to the safe zones and if you can't then you need to well and truly cover your ---.

You must pull these cables out of the wall, it's the RIGHT way! :thumbsup

 

[MarkieSparkie]

Sorry I'm newly qualified. Wagos? Was thinking of chocolate blocks and tape

Chocolate blocks and tape are extreme bad practice and according to the association of Chief Fire Officers one of the major causes of house fires in the UK.

 

[malcolmsanford]

WAGO's are maintenance free connectors.
If you terminate cables into a junction box and that junction box can't be accessed for maintenance ie under floorboards you must use maintenance free connections. WAGO's give you this option. They are incredibly simple to install - do all the connections first before you squeeze them all into the box - simple.

The maintenance free junction boxes until 01/01/12 still also have to be accessible.

 

[Johnny-G]

The maintenance free junction boxes until 01/01/12 still also have to be accessible.

Now I'm confused, is that to do with the amendments?

 

[malcolmsanford]

Yes all the "maintenance free" connections were never actually recognised by the BS 7671-2008 it was always the manufacturers that regarded them as maintenance free, and so I think some sparks took it upon themselves to consider these as being non accessible joints but others, like myself never.

I haven't got the BGB with me yet but I believe that Reg 526.3 as been amended to include connections that are now regarded as maintenance free and not needed for inspection and testing, if they are marked "MF" and are to the manufacturers standards.

So I'm assuming that by 01/01/2012 you can consider WAGO connections to be of the inaccessible variety.

 

[Johnny-G]

Thought it would be something like that, in which case they can be considered maintenance free and suitable for inaccessible joints now as it's only after 1/1/12 that installations *must* conform to the new regs, up until then you can choose either the original or the amended

 

[Ryan_Moore]

I am not 100% sure, I have only been on a few rewires as a labourer, but you should take it upto the ceiling(or under the floorboard whichever way you are looking at it) and secure it there, knock a hole in the ceiling if it is difficult to acess, a plasterer is coming anyway.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Jonny up until the 31/12/11 you can only work to the BS 7671-2008, then after that all installations designed from the 01/01/2012 must be to the BS 7671-2011. For 6 months, I believe after this date, any installation designed before 01/01/2012 but installed up to 30/06/2012 can still be done to BS 7671-2008, that was how it was done in past years, and I'm sure it is the same.

The Widdler is about somewhere and I'm sure if I'm wrong he will tell us

 

[Amp David]

Thought it would be something like that, in which case they can be considered maintenance free and suitable for inaccessible joints now as it's only after 1/1/12 that installations *must* conform to the new regs, up until then you can choose either the original or the amended

That's what I thought too.

As regards the OP, the future isn't looking too bright, as he states he's newly qualified then suggests the use of chock blocks, insulation tape and plastering over!:hanged:

 

[Ryan_Moore]

Bit harsh there Amp Dave, I know there is a blank plate in my house that has 1 phase....and nothing else behind it, no idea where the neutral and earth have gone it is fine, once I qualify it will still be fine...probably.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Bit harsh there Amp Dave, I know there is a blank plate in my house that has 1 phase....and nothing else behind it, no idea where the neutral and earth have gone it is fine, once I qualify it will still be fine...probably.

Try not to use old terminology Ryan. Though it is to 3 phase Supplies we still refer, they are no longer termed phases but LINEs. So it is L1 L2 L3 and in a 230 volt mono-phase installation is LINE

It's just best to get into good habits early.

 

[Ryan_Moore]

Cheers Malcolm, side effect of learnin most of my DIY knowledge from my grandad who was a spark about 50 years ago

 

[malcolmsanford]

Cheers Malcolm, side effect of learnin most of my DIY knowledge from my grandad who was a spark about 50 years ago

I most likely know him lol

 

[telectrix]

I most likely know him lol

know him, malcolm????? you probably trained him.