Help wiring a ceiling rose

[bman_89]

In the room there is two holes in the ceiling

Below is a picture of the first hole
It only has two wires
The second hole has one wire

I think I am missing a wire for the switch?
Is it possible that this old house only has 2 wires?

When I turn on the electric, the light doesn't turn on
There is current in the wires because I have a device to check
Do I have to cut more holes to check for another wire?
Thanks

 

[gaz_sparky]

I agree with westward and intoelectrics, connect the browns together and it might work.
Regarding those earths and the old wiring, chances are there is no earth on the old original circuit.
Avoid metal light fittings!
My gut feeling is that there was originally one centre light in the room which then got converted into two lights.

 

[westward10]

I suspect it has worked, either that or something catastrophic happened

 

[bman_89]

No catastrophe, it has worked!
Thanks for your help

Putting all three browns together at one terminal and all three blues together at another terminal done it
I even stripped backed the wires and put the earths together
Very pleased with myself
I never found the junction box
I broke a wire when replacing the switch, it surprised me that the switch and lights are on different fuses

@gaz_sparky
Yes, it was originally a one center light that got converted

 

[Toneyz]

In the room there is two holes in the ceiling

Below is a picture of the first hole
It only has two wires
The second hole has one wire

I think I am missing a wire for the switch?
Is it possible that this old house only has 2 wires?

When I turn on the electric, the light doesn't turn on
There is current in the wires because I have a device to check
Do I have to cut more holes to check for another wire?
Thanks

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The reason that it does not work is that the two browns need to be in the end live terminal, not the loop. The earths need to have earth sleaving and both go in the earth terminal. I am assuming that there is a joint box somewhere and a cable goes from that to the first light then the second.

 

[westward10]

The reason that it does not work is that the two browns need to be in the end live terminal, not the loop. The earths need to have earth sleaving and both go in the earth terminal. I am assuming that there is a joint box somewhere and a cable goes from that to the first light then the second.

See #7 and #18.

 

[Toneyz]

See #7 and #18.

I see that the OP took my advice then

 

[gaz_sparky]

Well done!
But are you sure about the switch and lights being on different fuses?

 

[Toneyz]

Well done!
But are you sure about the switch and lights being on different fuses?

Not sure what you mean?

 

[Risteard]

No catastrophe, it has worked!
Thanks for your help

Putting all three browns together at one terminal and all three blues together at another terminal done it
I even stripped backed the wires and put the earths together
Very pleased with myself
I never found the junction box
I broke a wire when replacing the switch, it surprised me that the switch and lights are on different fuses

@gaz_sparky
Yes, it was originally a one center light that got converted

OK, but my original advice stands to have the installation inspected by a REC. You can find a list on www.reci.ie or www.safeelectric.ie

 

[bman_89]

Well done!
But are you sure about the switch and lights being on different fuses?

In the consumer unit, I flipped the switch which I thought done the lights and switch
Then I went to fix the switch
I done my usual scan with my current checker and unexpectedly it started to beep
I got my other current checker and that beeped too

I'm glad I'm cautious
So I turned off the mains switch, checked again and fixed it

@Risteard
Yes, I think I'll have the installation inspected just in case

 

[davesparks]

In the consumer unit, I flipped the switch which I thought done the lights and switch
Then I went to fix the switch
I done my usual scan with my current checker and unexpectedly it started to beep
I got my other current checker and that beeped too

I'm glad I'm cautious
So I turned off the mains switch, checked again and fixed it

What do you mean by a current checker? It sounds like you mean a volt stick type of thing that lights up near a live wire, these things are not suitable for testing whether something is live or not for isolation purposes, they give false positive and negative results quite often.
It is far more likely that the fuse does feed the switch and light but the devices you are using to test this are giving false readings, or the installation is wired incorrectly.

 

[ipf]

OK, but my original advice stands to have the installation inspected by a REC. You can find a list on www.reci.ie or www.safeelectric.ie

Agree......but what's a a REC?
...….Registered Electrical Contractor?
The OP needs to get one in, for sure. Very inexperienced, going off the terminology and info given. Simple jobs can be just as dangerous as complicated ones.

 

[Risteard]

Agree......but what's a a REC?
...….Registered Electrical Contractor?
The OP needs to get one in, for sure. Very inexperienced, going off the terminology and info given. Simple jobs can be just as dangerous as complicated ones.

Aye, a REC is a Registered Electrical Contractor, i.e. one registered with RECI (the Register of Electrical Contractors of Ireland - also operating under the name Safe Electric).