help with steel conduit and trunking

[madmac]

Electricalserv.....Engineer54 was talking of the industry a number of years ago before the criteria was tightened up, if anyone is allowed to train up on one aspect of the electrical industry with no other issues to worry about then of course they will become "expert" at doing that one task and to be honest I'd never heard of these guys before and the chances are they were were being used illegally by the mob to save using electricians, but it IS part of a qualified electricians normal duties and if we allow this trend to continue then the trade of electrician will no longer exist as we know it because it will be systematically picked apart and we will see the rise in semi-skilled operatives doing parts of our trade such as "conduit installers","pyro gland technicians","swa technicians","panel wiremen","steel mechanical assemblers", "cable pullers","data technicians","pv solar panel installers",etc etc etc!!! Now do you catch my drift? This will be great for greedy employers who will drive wages and standards down to the lowest common denominator as these guys will only be semi-skilled and when they start moaning about the wages the mobs will just water down their semi-skilled job and train more willing monkeys to do it even cheaper and so on.

 

[Electricalserv]

Rubbish....being used illegaly? Theres no rules stating conduit must be installed by a qualified electrician as far as I'm aware.


All of the other things you mention there involve cable being installed directly. Not housing of cable. I'd be suprised if conduit installers doesn't become a bigger thing. Afterall its a mate job IN MY OPINION!

 

[madmac]

Rubbish....being used illegaly? Theres no rules stating conduit must be installed by a qualified electrician as far as I'm aware.

Electricalserv.....there are standards across all sectors of the electrical industry as I'm sure a man of your experience is well aware. The industry accepted way of proving competency and good standards of workmanship to be able to comply with the Electricity at work regs 1989, the Health and Safety at work Act 1974 and all the Building regs., to name but a few guidelines which are used in a court of law, is to use qualified electricians for electrical installations and the commissioning and maintenance there of. This incorporates all aspects of the electrical installation including the containment systems used to carry and protect current carrying cables. When guys with no proven track record of experience/competency are let loose on this type of installation not only are they frauding the client who may think they are paying an electrician to do the works but their works may be sub-standard and in fact dangerous and this is where the law steps in and uses all the statutes and regulations at their disposal to deem as has been deemed in the past that the best and to date the only effective way of maintaining standards and competency in the electrical arena is to use a qualified electrician!

 

[Jimsparky]

I've only been doing this job for 15 years but I don't think there is the big jobs about where those gangs are needed now? When I first started all we ever did was go from massive new install again and again.Whereas now rather than installing new cooking vessels etc in big new factories I found myself taking old bits of machinery out of closed down factories and re-ferbing it.Everyone has to do everything ? Dont know what you think ?

 

[mogga]

Firm I worked with had approved electricians electricians errectors laberours apprentices the erectors did a lot of the containment work and by christ these guys could fling it in quicker than most of the saprks i know Im rubbish at it but personaly I think there is a "Black Art" like reversing a trailer you either CAN or CANT

 

[Farmelectrics]

if you cant install conduit im sorry to offend anyone your not much of a spark in my eyes

 

[Electricalserv]

if you cant install conduit im sorry to offend anyone your not much of a spark in my eyes

..........Says Farmelectrics as he pulls out his bending machine, whilst his boss does the wiring and 2nd fix.....High 5!

 

[madmac]

..........Says Farmelectrics as he pulls out his bending machine, whilst his boss does the wiring and 2nd fix.....High 5!

Take it you can't do conduit then? So you are simply a cable puller, not a fully qualified, time served electrician? Just wondering.......Gotcha!:gunsmilie:

 

[Electricalserv]

Take it you can't do conduit then? So you are simply a cable puller, not a fully qualified, time served electrician? Just wondering.......Gotcha!:gunsmilie:

I've been out Inspecting and Testing today madmac. Periodic in a warehouse. Inspecting a ''fully qualified'' lads conduit. Signing off his work. Il leave the conduit to the workers.

 

[madmac]

Il leave the conduit to the workers.


You meant to say "Electricians".:43:BTW, you said you were doing a PIR, signing off his work? Don't get it, it must have already passed an Initial Verification at the completion stage and all your doing is making sure it hasn't been damaged and is still safe.

 

[Electricalserv]

Il leave the conduit to the workers.


You meant to say "Electricians".:43:BTW, you said you were doing a PIR, signing off his work? Don't get it, it must have already passed an Initial Verification at the completion stage and all your doing is making sure it hasn't been damaged and is still safe.

Yeh I've got the ticket to pass it off again....Conduit is a mates job.

 

[madmac]

Yeh I've got the ticket to pass it off again....Conduit is a mates job.

As I've said previously:Electricalserv.....there are standards across all sectors of the electrical industry as I'm sure a man of your experience is well aware. The industry accepted way of proving competency and good standards of workmanship to be able to comply with the Electricity at work regs 1989, the Health and Safety at work Act 1974 and all the Building regs., to name but a few guidelines which are used in a court of law, is to use qualified electricians for electrical installations and the commissioning and maintenance there of. This incorporates all aspects of the electrical installation including the containment systems used to carry and protect current carrying cables. When guys with no proven track record of experience/competency are let loose on this type of installation not only are they frauding the client who may think they are paying an electrician to do the works but their works may be sub-standard and in fact dangerous and this is where the law steps in and uses all the statutes and regulations at their disposal to deem as has been deemed in the past that the best and to date the only effective way of maintaining standards and competency in the electrical arena is to use a qualified electrician!

 

[Electricalserv]

Conduit work may be in an electricians job description for certain installations, but, you don't have to have any electrical knowledge to install it. Its one of those jobs that can be done by someone told where to put it. It has no relevance to the way electrical systems work there is no technical electrical ability needed to install it. Its containment for electrical systems. Its a protection for the real work and therefore a real electrician will steer well clear of it. Call us lazy but if I can get away with not doing the pitts work I will and Il leave it to a mate.

 

[madmac]

You clearly don't have any concept of electrical containment systems to come out with a statement like that= It has no relevance to the way electrical systems work there is no technical electrical ability needed to install it.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Conduit is still accepted by the IET as a method of providing a CPC and this is where technical ability comes into play, along with radius of bends,number of cores to be carried,external influences,etc etc etc!!! to name the most important factors. But as you say a complete and utter donkey, off the street can be trusted to do this technical portion of the electrical trade to a competent standard?

 

[Electricalserv]

oTechnical ability to bond conduit lol (which the spark will do) Cable capacity and influences (which the spark will do). Technical ability to bend radius lolololol. The pipe bender has all the markings for any monkey to do it. Lets get it straight madmac. Conduit is a mates job and thats that!. Godd for you if you're getting 14ph to do it but don't lie to yourself that your doing the good work...


Any old labourer can bend steel. My arl fella a steel fabricator and he can smash conduit anywhere. Is he a spark?