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Currently doing house renovations and have taken all the plaster/render back to blockwork and removed ceiling in kitchen revealing all the existing electrics, i have a couple of issues with the electrics i need clearing up before/if i have to call an electrician in before i can carry on work.

1. Firstly we have a PME TN-C-S System 60/80 415v supply and from what i have read (wiring regs and other literature) Reg 544.1.1 Table 54.8 says if the supply neutral conductor is less than 35mm2 or less the minimum main protective bonding conductor should be a minimum of 10mm2, the problem is i cannot see any markings of the earths size on any of the wire and don't know if there is any way of telling from measuring the thickness of the sheath but from what it looks like (pic below) the small section of earth from the supply to main earth terminal looks like 16mm2 and from the main earth terminal to consumer earth terminal and from there to gas and water it looks like 6mm2, if it is 6mm2 which i'm sure it is as i have compared it to a bit of marked 6mm2 wire i have then is this ok to leave as it is or should i have it upgraded to 10mm2 ?.

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2. Secondly there is a single switched socket under the worktop kitchen sink (drainer side) obviously for a washing machine/ dishwasher, its where we are going to have our washing machine. I've noticed this socket in not a spur and is a ring main socket straight from another ring main double socket, my question is if we are going to use this for a washing machine should there be a isolating switch or FCU wired before the socket above the worktop?.

Let me ask you a question - are you in England or Wales? and if so how are you proposing to deal with LABC?
 
Is it just me or as anyone else picked up on the fact that the op seems to be quoting regs and supply characteristics pretty well for a non sparky think this is a wind up , how would joe public no what regs and tables to reference
 
I've had customers who swot up on regs to talk about the job with me
 
If this guy wants to do it himself let him. We have all done the right thing here. When you read in the paper next month about a diy-er whos house caught fire and his family hopefully got out alive..lets hope its not makken
 
I've had customers who swot up on regs to talk about the job with me
I had not thought about it like that Kate, fair point just seemed strange at 1st glance that he couldn't tell the difference between 6mm & 10mm but could quote the regs.
 
When people come on here, and don't give the complete story and there are "holes" in what they say, they shouldn't be surprised when they get shot down.

There are too many chancers who we need to decline to give advice to, and from what I've read on this thread, this is exactly how we should deal with this one.

NO MORE ADVICE!
 
It as just become clear now! Makken is a plumber, just looked at some of his previous post's it all makes sense now :77::77:
 

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