How can anyone think this is acceptable ...

[Octopus]

Victorian house - just rewired.

EIC provided .......

Description of works "total rewire of all circuits. Dead tests only"

Speechless

Rant over..................

 

[Strima]

I never said you didn;'t I was replying to your comment you heard that you didn't have to, it is my gloucestershire accent that came across all wrong

Take the cider bottle out of your mouth then...

As for my AE, he's retiring this year so I'll let him go peacefully...

 

[MDJ]

Take the cider bottle out of your mouth then...

LOL, will do

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I am amazed that my tongue in cheek comment has produced such responses.
Ironic that it is based on information received from NICEIC members.

 

[Octopus]

I am amazed that my tongue in cheek comment has produced such responses.
Ironic that it is based on information received from NICEIC members.

So what is your real opinion on the EIC I saw this morning?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

So what is your real opinion on the EIC I saw this morning?

Personally I would back the Certificate and ask for the required testing to be conducted.

 

[Ian1981]

Sounds like your fishing for bites to be honest

 

[Des 56]

I read, heard or somehow acquired information from god knows where, Rcds will not require testing on the job in times to come
The tests by the manufacturer prior to sale are to suffice

 

[Octopus]

I read, heard or somehow acquired information from god knows where, Rcds will not require testing on the job in times to come
The tests by the manufacturer prior to sale are to suffice

So what is the point of the schedule of inspections ?

Got my annual assessment soon.

Think I will present my assessor with a schedule showing only dead tests and see what he says....

 

[Squid]

So should the electrician be "a live" or "dead" when doing the testing?

 

[Rpa07]

I read, heard or somehow acquired information from god knows where, Rcds will not require testing on the job in times to come
The tests by the manufacturer prior to sale are to suffice

Was reading about the Chinese made MCBs made for (MK employee telling his dad - reliable source!) that then get tested by the UK base and get chucked because they fail. I think we do need to keep testing RCDs because even fresh out of the box they can be faulty and lets face it - it’s us who’ll have to return and we’ll never see that money or time again and it just makes us look bad.

 

[Octopus]

The certificate had a registration number on it but no logo ..........................

a quick google search revealed ......................


Yes, you've guessed it ...................... NICEIC contractor.

 

[Wilko]

If they've done no live testing then my thought @Murdoch is the Cert must be incomplete. Interested to hear what Assessor says .

 

[telectrix]

all tese negative waves about working live. next thing is i'll be tempted to isolate circuit before changing a socket or light switch. , FFS. .

 

[Midwest]

The NICEIC have been making a big thing about working live for some time now.

In Certsure's Magazine Winter 2017-18 issue, there is one technical article on 'Prospective fault current in domestic and similar properties'.

It describes consumer units to BS EN 61439-3, single phase supply 250V, via a service cut containing an HBC fuse to BS 1361 Type II, not exceeding 100A.

It also states the maximum prospective fault current declared by DNO, suitably connected to take account of service cable length, does not exceed 16 kA.

It demonstrates the tests, and reasoning for.

It finishes with a section on EaWR 1989 & live testing, and a section headed Conclusion. In the Conclusion 'and where conditional rating is applicable, it follows that carrying out an unnecessary test to determine the prospective fault current at the origin, or indeed elsewhere in the installation, is unjustified live working and hence could be seen as a breach of Reg 14 EaWR 1989'.

I think I've done a fair precise of the article, the issue (magazine) is not freely available as a download at the moment. Perhaps this is one of the live tests (not to carry out) your colleagues spoke of?

Have to say, when I've had my Elecsa assessments, I've been asked to demonstrate these (live) tests.

 

[Octopus]

re working "live"

plugging in your MFT to a socket to test the Zs is no different than plugging in your mobile phone charger ..................