How far to go?

[sparrrrk]

Hi all,

Just after a bit of advice as I am not a domestic installer so don't know how far to go off the top of my head. I am an approved spark with 17th and 2391. However not joined to competent person scheme as I work for a company p.a.y.e.

A friend of a friend has asked if I could wire up his new man zone in the garden. This includes new SWA feed from house DB. One ring main plus lighting. Obviously this is notifiable but he doesn't want to get them involved as permission for his new garden structure was somewhat overlooked.

I want to help but my hands are tied not being part of a scheme. I also like sleeping at night so don't want to become liable. He is able to run cabling for ring/lighting/SWA.

How far can I go without become liable for the install. Any advice from guys would be appreciated.

Thanks!

 

[sparrrrk]

Don't get me wrong. i have nothing against getting signed to a scheme however I have a full time p.a.y.e. job which also takes most of my weekends up, so with the amount of private (unnotifiable) work I do its just not worth it.

It's just really annoying that I cant install some really simple stuff without fear of reprimand due to notholding a scheme.

All about moneybonce again

 

[marcspark]

totally right...Part P really takes he ****...Electrician's should be allowed to do domestic work as long as there ensured....@)

 

[Hellmooth]

I think the current constraints we're all supposed to work under make most of us worriers to an extent, meanwhile 100s if not 1000s of unqualified chancers are out there doing cash in hand jobs, no testing, no paperwork and they don't have a care in the world.

Thats the way I think, why worry about doing a job as it should be done, when you have so many charlatans out there who don't care but still get away with it without any worry of ever getting pulled up!

 

[Hellmooth]

totally right...Part P really takes he ****...Electrician's should be allowed to do domestic work as long as there ensured....@)

Exactly, if you have the appropriate training and knowledge, coupled with insurance that should be enough, if you have a driving license and insurance you can drive! I'm sure there would be uproar from the general public if we had to pay a scheme to let everyone know we can drive safely!

 

[Simonslimline]

Don't get me wrong. i have nothing against getting signed to a scheme however I have a full time p.a.y.e. job which also takes most of my weekends up, so with the amount of private (unnotifiable) work I do its just not worth it.

It's just really annoying that I cant install some really simple stuff without fear of reprimand due to notholding a scheme.

All about moneybonce again

It is not actually your responsibility to get it notified anyway, it falls on the person ordering the works.

I am sure this topic has been covered in previous threads also.

As long as it is installed/tested competently and safely and to BS7671 whats going to happen!

 

[Hellmooth]

This is true the the extent of notifying building control, don't know how it works if you are a member of a scheme though, surely this can't be the customers responsibility as you would need to notify your scheme not them?

 

[socket2me]

Dont ask an NIC contractor to sign it off as they dont allow it! They will end up doing a full EICR just to sign the circuit off lol

 

[sparrrrk]

Dont ask an NIC contractor to sign it off as they dont allow it! They will end up doing a full EICR just to sign the circuit off lol

Really? I've had a NIC Contractor sign off a shower circuit I installed for a neighbour. Charged me £100. Sounds like I got mugged off

 

[telectrix]

if your mate puts a small barand a small homebrew set up in his man cave, it's not domestic, is it? :tounge_smile:

 

[newtothis]

Really? I've had a NIC Contractor sign off a shower circuit I installed for a neighbour. Charged me £100. Sounds like I got mugged off

They’ve probably have to put 20% aside for tax
Included 20% Vat ??
Pay scheme fees, insurance and a raft of other expenses.

£100 seems fair to me, based on simple arithmetic alone, not trying to start an argument, do the sums and let me know if you still think you’ve been mugged off.

 

[socket2me]

Nic wouldn't be too happy as they dont allow their members to sign off third party. Can only do it by means of EICR. Not sure what happens if someone wanted to wire a new build or circuit in special location or replace CU etc themselves then have an NIC contractor come and give it an EICR. Normally an installation certificate would get registered with building control online so i guess you do the same but just put the condition report cert number in....?

 

[Midwest]

Hi all,

Obviously this is notifiable but he doesn't want to get them involved as permission for his new garden structure was somewhat overlooked.

Apart from all the useful advice you have already received, I'm just thinking about the implications of the above. Not knowing what sort of 'structure' this is exactly, but it has the potential of going horribly wrong (for your mate that is). If he has an outbuilding that requires planning permission, and hasn't got said permission, you can guarantee one of his neighbours (sods law) is gonna complain. So just make sure you have story straight, just in case LBC start digging, excuse the pun!

 

[marcspark]

Very good point Midwest ...it could open a can of worms....it's just too much agro...If it was me doing it as it's not a close friend (a friend of a friend) , I'd stay away... Some favours just aren't worth doing ;@)

 

[socket2me]

Professional hat on- dont get involved.
Real world hat on- Get him to buy materials or buy them cash, get paid in cash, leave no paper trail what so ever.