* How many points? *

[Adam W]

Following on from a discussion/argument/brouhaha at work today:
Would you describe a CCU (Cooker Control Unit) which incorporates a socket as 2 points since it does 2 different things, or 1 point since it's 1 accessory and 1 set of terminals?

Also would you count a cooker flex outlet as a point since it contains a set of terminals, or not since it's essentially a JB and not doing anything the terminals in the cooker don't do?

 

[MFS Electrical]

Outcome from the helpline?
Can’t believe it got to that point tho!
No pun intended either

They didn’t know either

 

[Adam W]

Are you referring to BS 7671 in general?

That could well be used as a general description of BS7671.

 

[Octopus]

Just out of interest would you count switches on a lighting circuit as points or just the pendants?

I count and record on the EIC the number of light fittings ...........

But I suppose I should count the lights and switches

 

[MFS Electrical]

I count and record on the EIC the number of light fittings ...........

But I suppose I should count the lights and switches

I use the IET model forms so I don’t concern myself with the number of points purely because it is so subjective

 

[telectrix]

personally, i think it's pointless discussing the subject. where's my beer?

 

[Adam W]

Just out of interest would you count switches on a lighting circuit as points or just the pendants?

I suppose since they are a 'termination', as in they have connectors, they should be considered as a 'point' - if you were getting paid 'per point' and for argument's sake the circuit consisted of 10x switches and 1x pendant then you'd be doing a lot of work for your money otherwise.
... But can a switch be considered as 'current using equipment'?

 

[Adam W]

I use the IET model forms so I don’t concern myself with the number of points purely because it is so subjective

I always had in the past, which is why I'd never considered the matter until now.
Do any of the other schemes ask you to record the number of points served, or just the NICEIC?

 

[MFS Electrical]

I always had in the past, which is why I'd never considered the matter until now.
Do any of the other schemes ask you to record the number of points served, or just the NICEIC?

No idea not part of any scams at the moment but I do know SELECT let you use the IET model forms.

 

[The Ghost]

I always count double socket as two points in schedule in number of points served. Single socket one point. Double socket two points nest'ce-pas?

 

[Des 56]

Somebody happened on opening the broom cupboard at Nicy headquarters,there in the corner was a empty box


It was decided that,even though its irrelevant and of no value to anyone, it had to be incorporated into the eic and eicr forms

It was decided that rather than being wasted stuck in the corner of the broom cupboard,it may as well be put to good use as a useless box on a almost useless form

 

[Oli G]

I always count double socket as two points in schedule in number of points served. Single socket one point. Double socket two points nest'ce-pas?

I've always been told to do it this way too. So I'd call a CCU with socket as 2 points. I'm surprised this thread seems to be so one sided in the other direction..

 

[Dillb]

I've always been told to do it this way too. So I'd call a CCU with socket as 2 points. I'm surprised this thread seems to be so one sided in the other direction..

So a 4 tube modular fitting is 4 points?

 

[Oli G]

So a 4 tube modular fitting is 4 points?

No.. but I get your point.

 

[Risteard]

Just out of interest would you count switches on a lighting circuit as points or just the pendants?

I thought I stated that in the post - if not then my apologies. No, I wouldn't count functional switches or isolators as they are not for the connection of current-using equipment. (Leaving aside your point about the neon!)

 

[MFS Electrical]

I thought I stated that in the post - if not then my apologies. No, I wouldn't count functional switches or isolators as they are not for the connection of current-using equipment. (Leaving aside your point about the neon!)

Oh and by the way I honestly wasn’t insinuating that you were an a**e just in case you or anyone else thought that it’s just that I used to work with a guy who if you said black he said white so he would have counted the neons as current using equipment he was most definitely an a**e