Hi,
My son has just (last week) had a rewire done on his house in Leyland. He has just bought the house but a "domino" type consumer unit was spotted and so a rewire was deemed necessary.
He wanted to move in with his girlfriend and 2 month old son as quickly as possible so phoned a website to get electricians to call him with quotes based on the job being done ASAP.
Electrician gave him a quote £3000 and he accepted - work could be done the following week. The day arrived and was completed in the day by "a load of very young people" and the house was in a right state.
They have run 4 spurs in the house which I thought was pretty poor for a rewire and I don't know if this is to regulations.
But the real problem came when I was reboarding the loft. There were a load of chopped wires in the way of the boards so I pulled them back as far as possible and cut them further back. Whilst pulling the wires, the skirting board fell off. Behind the skirting board, there was a hole in the plaster board and an old fashioned connection block (with screws) fell out as did the ends of 2 conductors. One of the 3 wires that came out of this block was in the way of the boards. As conductors had dropped out, obviously an old wire I thought and so started cutting it with my electrical cutters and the upstairs socket ring tripped.
On investigation, the new upstairs socket ring has been cut, the earth conductors cut back - breaking the earth ring, the positive and neutral conductors having been pushed into the connector but not screwed down properly and the cable that I had cut - upon tracing was actually an open live cable - just lying under the loft insulation.
Looking round, the new lighting circuit has been extended - also by means of an old fashioned type connector block with screws in and taped up.
I was furious and phoned the electrician who between my rants told me that it was perfectly reasonable to extend the lighting circuit by means of a taped up connector block with screws to secure the conductors.
The electrician has given my son an electrical certificate (which I haven't seen and probably wouldn't understand) but on reading info on the internet, I cannot understand how he has done a test with the earth conductors on the upstairs ring being cut back at the loose connection block breaking the circuit.
The guy is coming back on Monday to "have a look what is going on" but apart from being outright dangerous with an open ended live cable, are the old fashioned screw type connector blocks acceptable - whether taped or un-taped, are spurs to standard and can I report this guy and if so, who to?
Thanks for any advice,
Jim.
 
A pity the plasterer didn’t pipe up with “ this looks a bit rough” before he covered it up.


Getting your money back seems unlikely, but depending on local trading standards office… there may be some comeback.
Solicitor?
Local MP?

I hate these crooked tradesmen. Taking advantage of the general public.
Get onto the BBC Rough Traders or whatever.

Any chance of a photo of consumer unit?
There are rcd times listed, but no rcd on the certificate. (Might be a dual rcd board, but it still should be listed)
Can I kick off with a design question? What do we think about 20A for the kitchen with no separate appliance circuit(s)?
It’s a 20A for the kitchen sockets & a 30 for the cooker
 

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To be fair, I have seen a LOT WORSE than that, it looks like it has been installed by someone who has some pride in their work.

if I had to nit pick,
there is too much copper on show where the cables exit the circuit breakers.
no surge protection
i think 20A radials x3 is a bit mean for a house, especially a kitchen.
 
Can I kick off with a design question? What do we think about 20A for the kitchen with no separate appliance circuit(s)?

I think it could be quite a bold choice considering the ease with which a 32A socket circuit could have been installed and the potential for all manner of appliances and gadgets to be used.

But having said that I know my own kitchen would be absolutely fine with just a 20A radial, in fact my entire flat would be fine on one 20A.
 
i think 20A radials x3 is a bit mean for a house, especially a kitchen.
I think it could be quite a bold choice considering the ease with which a 32A socket circuit could have been installed
My thoughts exactly. If the dishwasher or washing machine is heating, putting on the microwave and kettle will push the circuit into overload. OK it probably won't trip, but I bet the OP was not expecting to get, as part of a rewire, a circuit that is likely to be overloaded. If the previous circuit was a ring, this is a downgrade to save one run of cable and a bit of testing time.

Agree with the above comment that the CU doesn't look bad at all and suggests the person who did it is competent. But the devil is in the detail. Untidy wiring doesn't in itself cause fires, incorrectly torqued terminals do, and we can't see that from here.

It is possible, and I have seen this first hand, that there was one less-competent person on the team who let the standard down and the best of it is fine. Also that the said less competent person tried to hide his mistakes from the boss, hence possibly a hidden terminal block where he ran a cable in too short etc. Bare live cable ends smack of someone in a hurry who didn't check what was being terminated where.
 
My thoughts exactly. If the dishwasher or washing machine is heating, putting on the microwave and kettle will push the circuit into overload. OK it probably won't trip, but I bet the OP was not expecting to get, as part of a rewire, a circuit that is likely to be overloaded. If the previous circuit was a ring, this is a downgrade to save one run of cable and a bit of testing time.

Agree with the above comment that the CU doesn't look bad at all and suggests the person who did it is competent. But the devil is in the detail. Untidy wiring doesn't in itself cause fires, incorrectly torqued terminals do, and we can't see that from here.

It is possible, and I have seen this first hand, that there was one less-competent person on the team who let the standard down and the best of it is fine. Also that the said less competent person tried to hide his mistakes from the boss, hence possibly a hidden terminal block where he ran a cable in too short etc. Bare live cable ends smack of someone in a hurry who didn't check what was being terminated where.
Could be the case - although when I phoned the boss he told me that these (in the picture) were allowed anywhere as long as they are taped up? This one obvs isn’t taped up though.
Also, do metal back boxes for the sockets have to be earthed out still?
A mate has said he needs to give me a building regs cert, do you know if this is right?
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Could be the case - although when I phoned the boss he told me that these (in the picture) were allowed anywhere as long as they are taped up? This one obvs isn’t taped up though.
Also, do metal back boxes for the sockets have to be earthed out still?
A mate has said he needs to give me a building regs cert, do you know if this is right?
They can be used if they are in a box of some kind with strain relief, and they also have to be accessible.
I think someone mentioned this previously.
Still pretty poor using them on a rewire. Maybe some at the switches for unused neutrals but that should mostly be all.
 

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