I Think I May Have Found Free Renewable Energy

[Karin]

that wikipedia link is quite good too. though somehow it led to far too many hours last night being lost to entropy and some cat in a box..

goddamn physics..

 

[ajay123]

this could keep going forever in a loop (perpetual m.. ?) until you read and understand the answers. instead of asking for each specific idea to be disproved, try to understand the physics (that has been explained very well). then when you understand (accept) that it is impossible, you will be able to have fun working out why it doesn't work yourself! for any future ideas. even the top physicists play this game, and sometimes it takes even them a few years!

Thank you for your reply, I'm not saying this in a bad why but your not telling how, tell me step by step why this wouldn't work, remember the motor/piston doesn't need to be one all the time, the motor/piston only turns itself on when the pressure inside the tank gets to a certain PSI.

 

[Barry White]

To compress air and store it in a tank uses lots of energy and wastes a lot too . Some of the losses are friction heat noise there are more.
The turbine will have losses too
so for every kw you put in you dont get a kw out in driving force you get a kw out including losses like heat etc.

Have a look on youtube using the law of energy non of the machines actually work most have an air stream blowing then around or hidden batterys/power cords.
I can usually figure them out and even made a copy of one that works and posted it on here. (the small watch batterys are easily hidden)

 

[Barry White]

To compress air and store it in a tank uses lots of energy and wastes a lot too . Some of the losses are friction heat noise there are more.
The turbine will have losses too
so for every kw you put in you dont get a kw out in driving force you get a kw out including losses like heat etc.

Have a look on youtube using the law of energy non of the machines actually work most have an air stream blowing then around or hidden batterys/power cords.
I can usually figure them out and even made a copy of one that works and posted it on here. (the small watch batterys are easily hidden)

 

[Darkwood]

@ajay123

I think one of your stumbling blocks is you confusion of ratings too, take a 3ph 3kw motor for instance, this is not 3kw of electrical power it draws from the mains, it relates to the available mechanical power at the shaft, this is why it used to be written in horse power and sometimes still is.

A motor gives a mechanical output measured in Kw or HP
A Gen' gives an electrical output measured in Kw or KVA (Where Kw is used then a PF of 0.8 is assumed as this is an unknown quantity as the manufacturer cannot determine the users load).

So when you start looking at your designs you have to decipher and/or convert values to get a true overview, also you have to realise that stored potential energy will be quickly lost when loaded up unless you maintain the full mechanical energy input (in the case of a generator) to get the rated electrical output.

To generate this mechanical movement you can use a variety of methods but unless its free energy source like a waterwheel using a river or wind etc then any other method like compressed air for example will always require more energy to compress the air than the can be extracted from the system to run a generator.

The maths can be very complicated when working power ratio's out in several formats but this is how you determine whether any system efficient, if you try to apply said calculations to any of your theories it will always show you what you are trying to do cannot ever work, you are in a sense trying to visualise an idea without the bother of all the complicated calculations - this is your biggest downfall but even that aside we use a seperate easier to understand response by expressing the issues of losses, inertial energy (stored power) etc.

The only way to do this without calculations is to do visual analogies which I kindly did many posts ago, this will apply to all such overunity systems where as in your recent idea you just need to change the moped for a large pressurised gas tank blowing the car on the flat which is conceivable but the minute you add load to the car IE an incline then the potential energy quickly disappears and the remaining compressed air cannot overcome the added load of the incline - in this case the load is trying to pressurise the gas which in turns pushes the car.... you end up with a graph where the line fall almost vertical of the paper as everything simply stalls.

 

[ajay123]

To compress air and store it in a tank uses lots of energy and wastes a lot too . Some of the losses are friction heat noise there are more.
The turbine will have losses too
so for every kw you put in you dont get a kw out in driving force you get a kw out including losses like heat etc.

Have a look on youtube using the law of energy non of the machines actually work most have an air stream blowing then around or hidden batterys/power cords.
I can usually figure them out and even made a copy of one that works and posted it on here. (the small watch batterys are easily hidden)

Thank you for your reply and I 100 percent understand now, it has all come back to me and my mind finally realises where I went wrong, cheers

 

[ajay123]

@ajay123

I think one of your stumbling blocks is you confusion of ratings too, take a 3ph 3kw motor for instance, this is not 3kw of electrical power it draws from the mains, it relates to the available mechanical power at the shaft, this is why it used to be written in horse power and sometimes still is.

A motor gives a mechanical output measured in Kw or HP
A Gen' gives an electrical output measured in Kw or KVA (Where Kw is used then a PF of 0.8 is assumed as this is an unknown quantity as the manufacturer cannot determine the users load).

So when you start looking at your designs you have to decipher and/or convert values to get a true overview, also you have to realise that stored potential energy will be quickly lost when loaded up unless you maintain the full mechanical energy input (in the case of a generator) to get the rated electrical output.

To generate this mechanical movement you can use a variety of methods but unless its free energy source like a waterwheel using a river or wind etc then any other method like compressed air for example will always require more energy to compress the air than the can be extracted from the system to run a generator.

The maths can be very complicated when working power ratio's out in several formats but this is how you determine whether any system efficient, if you try to apply said calculations to any of your theories it will always show you what you are trying to do cannot ever work, you are in a sense trying to visualise an idea without the bother of all the complicated calculations - this is your biggest downfall but even that aside we use a seperate easier to understand response by expressing the issues of losses, inertial energy (stored power) etc.

The only way to do this without calculations is to do visual analogies which I kindly did many posts ago, this will apply to all such overunity systems where as in your recent idea you just need to change the moped for a large pressurised gas tank blowing the car on the flat which is conceivable but the minute you add load to the car IE an incline then the potential energy quickly disappears and the remaining compressed air cannot overcome the added load of the incline - in this case the load is trying to pressurise the gas which in turns pushes the car.... you end up with a graph where the line fall almost vertical of the paper as everything simply stalls.

I finally realise where I went wrong and now that was my last idea, I have no more ideas left for me to carry on, so thank you for helping me understand everything, I really appreciate it.

 

[Barry White]

I finally realise where I went wrong and now that was my last idea, I have no more ideas left for me to carry on, so thank you for helping me understand everything, I really appreciate it.

Dont lose your drive whilst perpetual motion cannot be done the theory and practice you use has lead to many inventions of the laws of physics.
Most of our brilliant engineers of the past have tried it. Look up Robert Boyles flask ! These machines get you thinking. I remember trying to make my first perpetual motion machine with a mecanno set when I was around 10 years old. Of course it didnt work (well it did but the oil companies kidnapped me etc )

 

[ajay123]

Dont lose your drive whilst perpetual motion cannot be done the theory and practice you use has lead to many inventions of the laws of physics.
Most of our brilliant engineers of the past have tried it. Look up Robert Boyles flask ! These machines get you thinking. I remember trying to make my first perpetual motion machine with a mecanno set when I was around 10 years old. Of course it didnt work (well it did but the oil companies kidnapped me etc )

Cheers for the support.

 

[ruston]

Cheers for the support.

Lots of things have been discovered by people looking for other things unrelated to their main objective .
Penicillin is probably the most famous.
Enthusiasm is a great attribute , keep chipping away.

 

[ajay123]

Lots of things have been discovered by people looking for other things unrelated to their main objective .
Penicillin is probably the most famous.
Enthusiasm is a great attribute , keep chipping away.

Yea I know what you mean, thank you

 

[telectrix]

perpetual motion does exist. it's otherwise known as my lady's gob.

 

[ajay123]

perpetual motion does exist. it's otherwise known as my lady's gob.

Hahahahaha

 

[Barry White]

@ajay123 here is a "working" model of a perpetual motion machine I found on youtube.It a a basic electric motor (clue)

Perpetual Motion?? - http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk/threads/perpetual-motion.112839/

will make another when I get time just for the hell of it and to prove they are fake.