If part P were abolished

[chris day]

Hello guys
Just like with the black cab companies being stabbed in the back with back door policies allowing Uber to side line a skilled industry I got to thinking....

Can anyone remember sparking in domestics before part P was introduced and would it be foolish to draw parallels with the back cab and the Electricians industry being contradicted by allowing back door kitchen fitters into our world?

To be honest i have always found part P very confusing as i have a lovely JIB card and a government apprenticeship yet i need to pay a private company to tell me i have done a 5 year apprenticeship correctly.

 

[solarsavings]

Do they need to be notified when people have new boilers put in under a Gas safe heating engineer?

Yes. It is done via gassafe notification is the same was as the electrical cps scheme.

 

[Ian1981]

No mate it wasn't Mosses, Think his followers called him Tony something, wire? no Cable that's him[/QUOTE]
No bad mouthing the messahia please ......
Erm I mean mr cable

 

[Rpa07]

No, leave that for the ELEX shows!

 

[Pete999]

No mate it wasn't Mosses, Think his followers called him Tony something, wire? no Cable that's him

No bad mouthing the messahia please ......
Erm I mean mr cable[/QUOTE]
No he was deffo called Tony

 

[Des 56]

When I used to wire a house I was so confident I guaranteed my work for 25 years no quibbles. I am still alive as you may divine, and no-one has come back to me yet. I know what you all are gonna say.......1.2.3..

Oh well I may as well make the start
None have survived to complain

 

[Specialist]

To the older sparkies on the forum.
Was there so much grief about poor electrical work before part p was introduced?
Talking 20+ years ago or more?

Don't really think there was no. Don't think there's much if any improvement in safety since Part P. From what I've seen, you've still got a lot of cowboys doing domestic work. If anything more than there used to be, Doubt you'll ever stop other trades or have a go Joe's messing with Electrics.
One thing I can see it's done though, is put a good number of talented electricians out of the domestic market.

 

[FatAlan]

Classic case of government increasing bureaucracy then abstaining responsibility by farming it out to the private sector. Costs us all more in the long run.

 

[Specialist]

Classic case of government increasing bureaucracy then abstaining responsibility by farming it out to the private sector. Costs us all more in the long run.

Also loses good sparks work. The more stupid things like this, that are put in place then the more it costs Joe public.
What happens when Joe public gets hit in the pocket ? Oh yes, he's ten times more likely to try & botch it himself with some flex and cellotape or get Dave the painter from down the pub to have a go.

Yep the powers that be really put some intelligent thought into part P, NOT.

 

[Pete999]

Also loses good sparks work. The more stupid things like this, that are put in place then the more it costs Joe public.
What happens when Joe public gets hit in the pocket ? Oh yes, he's ten times more likely to try & botch it himself with some flex and cellotape or get Dave the painter from down the pub to have a go.

I wonder how the people running fast track training establishments would react to the stopping for use of a better word of Part P? would we have better training via the Apprenticeship route? Part P imo was / is a typical Government reaction, papering over the cracks they made in the first place

 

[westward10]

Recently got chatting on an annual assessment about the Domestic Installer scheme and fast track "electricians". Whilst the assessor was in agreement with most views on this forum he did say it had the benefit of keeping a check on those that probably shouldn't be doing electrical work!

 

[Specialist]

Think they'd have a baby Pete, it would be the killing of the Cash cow.
Don't think it's the Fast track training places that are the problem though, it's the whole Ill conceived idea of part P that's the problem and has been from the time Muppet brigade came up with it.

 

[Specialist]

Recently got chatting on an annual assessment about the Domestic Installer scheme and fast track "electricians". Whilst the assessor was in agreement with most views on this forum he did say it had the benefit of keeping a check on those that probably shouldn't be doing electrical work!

Sorry buddy, don't see how he thinks it's keeping a check on the people that shouldn't be doing Electrical work.
All that seems to have happened, is that the Dodgy sparks out there have gone and got an extra piece of paper to show Joe public.
You know yourself, It hasn't stopped them doing dodgy installs.

Has it stopped Dave the Painter / Mechanic / Binman from down the pub, messing with peoples electrics for his beer money ? Nope not at all.

 

[westward10]

Sorry buddy, don't see how he thinks it's keeping a check on the people that shouldn't be doing Electrical work.
All that seems to have happened, is that the Dodgy sparks out there have gone and got an extra piece of paper to show Joe public.
You know yourself, It hasn't stopped them doing dodgy installs.

I totally agree but I could see the misguided logic of it. He told me a tale of a colleague who attended three assessments for the same contractor. The first two the contractor claimed he had yet to finish a rewire he was working on whereby the assessor said this was fine we can still attend site but unfortunately there were no keys available. The third time they attended said rewire and when asked where the intake and consumer unit were the contractor did not know, draw your own conclusions.

 

[Specialist]

Just about says it all really doesn't it.

 

[Pete999]

Think they'd have a baby Pete, it would be the killing of the Cash cow.
Don't think it's the Fast track training places that are the problem though, it's the whole Ill conceived idea of part P that's the problem and has been from the time Muppet brigade came up with it.

OK but you have agree surely the scams are rubbing their hands together, the more Installers call them what you will, the scams will pass out as qualified, it's a laughable situation, just wonder what the fail percentage would be, zero I should imagine, sorry I could go on it's a pet hate of mine.