In defence of the short course trainee

[Engineer54]

The general "dumming" down of the industry is just "welcome to the modern world" I am afraid. I come from both an electrical and telecoms background and have seen it in both, at the end of the day the country is run by accountants and in reality no one seems to give a ---- any more about doing things properly, in fact a lot of people now would not recognise or even know what doing something properly is.

So what are you suggesting, to just continue rolling over and accept everything that's thrown at you??
That's exactly why the industry is in the dire straights it's in, people just rolling over and not giving a ---- until it has bitten them in the arse!!! It's now wake up time, and getting rid of the parasites that bottom feed on our industry is, or should be, the first step in reclaiming the status once afforded to fully qualified electricians....

If that means an end to the so-called non-discript DI's that have been churned out in the thousands by these joke training centres, then so be it, it can't come soon enough.....

 

[uksparks]

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Thats a bit rude, go and play on a train line or something will you...

 

[uksparks]

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Phrased like that, I tend to agree.

 

[jaypp]

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Of course, us brits wouldn't dream of criticizing or interfering (present or past) with other countries/nations (sarcasm!!)
Personally, I think if you're a British Citizen you have every right to voice what happens here

With the Quote removed, this post seems random now!!

 

[tazz]

Sparksburnout, Can I suggest you tone your comments, please

 

[Knobhead]

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I’ve just looked back through your previous posts in various topics. Not once have you helped a fellow member.

Both E54 and I have similar views on the way the domestic electrical trade is going. E54 works abroad on blue chip projects, I’m retired from heavy engineering. Between us 80+ years in the electrical trade.

Now before you criticize a respected member could I suggest you try to give useful information based on your obviously vast experience.

I have to resort to sarcasm as under the new rules I have to be nice to you. Believe me, it’s damned hard work for me to be nice to the likes of you.

 

[Engineer54]

Originally Posted by sparksburnout
I'm sorry mate, anyone who doesn't even live here has no right to criticise anything that goes on here. It's just like all these folks that clear off to spain, they soon come running back when something goes TU

I have every right to praise or criticise anything that goes on in the UK or anywhere else in the world come to that. Just the same as i can come and go to the UK as i please. At least if i ever did go back to the UK on a permanent basis, i can assure you i wouldn't be relying on the State to house and feed me!!

Originally Posted by sparksburnout
So how many trainees or middle aged guys have you helped recently then? Not bloody many from China I shouldn't think. If there is one thing that cheeses me off it's ex-pats moaning about stuff going on at home, why don't you get your --- back here and help sort it out?? Or are you waiting for a hip replacement first?

Well, actually you would be wrong, i take groups of selected students from a local Engineering College 3 times a fortnight for practical training mainly at the main contractors compound and on the project site....

What cheeses me off are those that can't see any further than the end of their noses!! Especially those that wish that they too were in a position to be able to live overseas in places like France/Spain/Portugal etc... Oh, and why shouldn't these Ex pats (which will be mainly retirees) go back to the UK if they so choose, if and when they are in need of a hip replacement, most if not ALL, would have been paying there NI stamps etc, over there working life, the same as i have. The above just smacks of jealousy on your part....

I see your another one, that thinks it's all down to the older folk to sort out the bloody mess you have allowed to be created. When i left the UK to work overseas, everything was pretty much tickerty boo!!! How about you getting off You're Arse and YOU doing something to sort it out!!

 

[trev]

You are aware that these courses are home study with 5-8 weeks in house, and not just 5 week start to finish ??

Really?
Seriously?
Try 4 years of slogging your balls off with a perfectionist older bloke(who to this day I'm grateful for what he taught me) breathing down your neck all the time who'd tw@ you you round the back of the head if you made the same mistake twice.
Try that for 8 hours a day, then having to go to evening classes till 9pm twice a week.

 

[jaypp]

I have every right to praise or criticise anything that goes on in the UK or anywhere else in the world come to that. Just the same as i can come and go to the UK as i please. At least if i ever did go back to the UK on a permanent basis, i can assure you i wouldn't be relying on the State to house and feed me!!

Well, actually you would be wrong, i take groups of selected students from a local Engineering College 3 times a fortnight for practical training mainly at the main contractors compound and on the project site....

What cheeses me off are those that can't see any further than the end of their noses!! Especially those that wish that they too were in a position to be able to live overseas in places like France/Spain/Portugal etc... Oh, and why shouldn't these Ex pats (which will be mainly retirees) go back to the UK if they so choose, if and when they are in need of a hip replacement, most if not ALL, would have been paying there NI stamps etc, over there working life, the same as i have. The above just smacks of jealousy on your part....

I see your another one, that thinks it's all down to the older folk to sort out the bloody mess you have allowed to be created. When i left the UK to work overseas, everything was pretty much tickerty boo!!! How about you getting off You're Arse and YOU doing something to sort it out!!

You shouldn't have to explain yourself.
For sparksburnout, info I learnt from E54;
'if ya want a good TT, go deeeep!'

 

[trev]

Furthermore, try proper exams that you had to work hard to pass. Not this multiple choice nonsense that seems to be the way now.
5 to 8 weeks?
Kinell man, are you really serious.

 

[jaypp]

Furthermore, try proper exams that you had to work hard to pass. Not this multiple choice nonsense that seems to be the way now.
5 to 8 weeks?
Kinell man, are you really serious.

I preferred to think of it as 'multiple possible answers'!!
But, yes you're right, a bit of study, a few past papers, and you're there.

 

[trev]

'multiple possible answers'!

2 of which are obviously wrong so if you've half a brain you've got a 50% chance of scoring points.

 

[jaypp]

2 of which are obviously wrong so if you've half a brain you've got a 50% chance of scoring points.

I had almost identical questions in one and the info required to answer something given in a later question! the only official 'exam' I've achieved 100% in was a 'Multiple Possible Answer(multi guess)' module on the 2330. I guessed at least 2 questions and narrowed a couple down too! People fail these, believe it or not Trev.

 

[Badged01]

.... who'd tw@ you you round the back of the head if you made the same mistake twice.

If you feel this past experience has left you emotionally scarred through later life then you can see a "no-win-no-fee" solicitor who can take the appropriate action to correct this injustice you suffered ........

 

[dazza1981]

Really?
Seriously?
Try 4 years of slogging your balls off with a perfectionist older bloke(who to this day I'm grateful for what he taught me) breathing down your neck all the time who'd tw@ you you round the back of the head if you made the same mistake twice.
Try that for 8 hours a day, then having to go to evening classes till 9pm twice a week.

My foreman was exactly the same trev and i used to think he was just being an arse on purpose....looking back now though i realise he is the reason why i breezed threw college and i learnt so much. You did it the proper route trev and stuck at it !!!!