In defence of the short course trainee

[kung]

Would you do it with a floating neutral on a single phase supply

Hell yer an i can eat 3 shreaded wheat !

 

[kung]

I think it would be better to have a domestic installers forum !


That is a great idea. The blind leading the blind lol

Who said that ???????????????????

 

[HappyHippyDad]

I think this is a very good topic started by Downtoearth and agree with everything they have said.

I am currently thinking of a similar course.. one evening a week for around 6 months, plus lots of study/practice in my own time I expect. I already work full time and look after my son by myself on my days off so this is my only option.

I do feel quite hesitant to ask questions sometimes on a electrical forum as often you get some remarks that just make you feel silly and stupid for asking. I have recently joined and have so far had a good experience of this site and hope that when I do start asking more questions I will not be shot down in flames for being 'dangerous'. I would simply be asking so as to further my knowledge and would have no intention of actually doing anything electrical until I was 100% certain it was safe.

I am very pleased and quite excited that such courses are available and fully intend to undertake one. I am then legally allowed to undertake work as a domestic installer but will still not do anything until I believe I am competent to do so.

If, or rather when (actually I already have) I do start asking silly questions please do as 'downtoearth' asks and give me a sensible reply that will point out my errors and encourage me to learn.

Thanks all.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

That is where your experiences and mine differ. I am constantly hearing the phrase "well we're not allowed to touch it anymore cos of that part p thing" With regards to a DI having a pop at 3 phase, well technically by law a 17 yr old with a driving liscence can drive a 400bhp subaru impreza. Doesnt mean its a good idea. Personally Im fully 2330 level 3, 17th ed etc but I stick to what I know. Houses. Someone asks me to do work on 3 phase, I say no thanks.

and why not?......you only get 230V to neutral or earth of ov 3 phase.....400V between phases.....and when doing a safe isolation....its 10 tests rather than the 3 for single phase......and if using test equipment that is not able to test 400V (phase to phase)..such as seperates....then you take the highest phase to neutral...and double it for PFC....not a rocket science is it??.....

 

[Specialist]

Evening Glenn.

 

[alarm man]

well technically by law a 17 yr old with a driving liscence can drive a 400bhp subaru impreza.

but we all sit the same test to drive a car..

 

[GLENNSPARK]

cant get my head round the fear factor involving 3 phase....its like saying "il only be a bit dead if i get a belt of ov single phase...i`l be less dead"....lol....still dead though..lol....

 

[Knobhead]

and why not?......you only get 230V to neutral or earth of ov 3 phase.....400V between phases.....and when doing a safe isolation....its 10 tests rather than the 3 for single phase......and if using test equipment that is not able to test 400V (phase to phase)..such as seperates....then you take the highest phase to neutral...and double it for PFC....not a rocket science is it??.....

How do you make it 10 tests? I'd do 7.

 

[Guest112]

How do you make it 10 tests? I would do 7

i think he means the ten safe isolation/ block IR tests each phase to earth, each phase neutral. between phases and neutral to earth

 

[craig newby]

Great post Richy333 I've been using this forum for years now and have been so impressed with the conduct and banter of the group members but in the last few months noticed the change of attitude in reply posts. I can understand you may feel the 5 week wonders are getting in to easy and maybe getting experience from the forum, but the ones that make a career out of deserve it and rest that don't will have wasted money but had a go. I'm experienced and sometimes I feel intimidated to post due to the reply's I read to others.. But I say to say thanks to the regular posted like Lenny, engineer 54, malcomsanford, telextrics, dec 56 and many others you have helped many people with your answers read from a distance... Forget the politics its forum to help people.

 

[Specialist]

I think this is a very good topic started by Downtoearth and agree with everything they have said.

I am currently thinking of a similar course.. one evening a week for around 6 months, plus lots of study/practice in my own time I expect. I already work full time and look after my son by myself on my days off so this is my only option.

I do feel quite hesitant to ask questions sometimes on a electrical forum as often you get some remarks that just make you feel silly and stupid for asking. I have recently joined and have so far had a good experience of this site and hope that when I do start asking more questions I will not be shot down in flames for being 'dangerous'. I would simply be asking so as to further my knowledge and would have no intention of actually doing anything electrical until I was 100% certain it was safe.

I am very pleased and quite excited that such courses are available and fully intend to undertake one. I am then legally allowed to undertake work as a domestic installer but will still not do anything until I believe I am competent to do so.

If, or rather when (actually I already have) I do start asking silly questions please do as 'downtoearth' asks and give me a sensible reply that will point out my errors and encourage me to learn.

Thanks all.

I've no doubt that from your attitude i.e you don't think you know it all & realise that even after doing a Domestic installer course you really won't be competent to do it on your own. Then you will get sensible answers even if you think the questions are silly, as has been said previously what rankles with most of us is the DI's that come on here telling us how fully qualified they are & how much they know & then ask questions the equivalent of how do i turn a light on. Anyway welcome to the Forum & ask away.

 

[Guest112]

im a qualified spark and i still ask stupid questions :rolleyes4: always better to ask

 

[Specialist]

ere Peter: Ow do I turn a light switch on ? :lol:

 

[flukey]

I have recently joined and have so far had a good experience of this site and hope that when I do start asking more questions I will not be shot down in flames for being 'dangerous'. I would simply be asking so as to further my knowledge and would have no intention of actually doing anything electrical until I was 100% certain it was safe.

I am very pleased and quite excited that such courses are available and fully intend to undertake one. I am then legally allowed to undertake work as a domestic installer but will still not do anything until I believe I am competent to do so.


Thanks all.

stick to that and noone on here will shoot you down in flames.

the problems arise on here when Electrical Trainee complete jobs theyre not competent to do then come on here looking for a way out

ask before you do the work and youll be surprised by the help you will get and enjoy your stay much more

 

[ipf]

ere Peter: Ow do I turn a light switch on ? :lol:

Pull it:confused5: