Industry failing us

[Jonson]

I just wanted to post a bit of a moan I suppose, i think it's ashame how electrical industry falling to peices, with all these short courses on offer to part time cowboys, what happened to 4 year apprenticeships then calling yourself a spark, no wonder wages are rubbish and standard of work is poor, calling yourself a spark when you have done your theory, do you reckon these guys can bend conduit and submit decent work. I know it's a moan but frustrating for us apprenticeship trained guys, what's other peops views on this

 

[sparks_114]

this remark always makes me laugh - i think bending conduit is a very poor example of what an electricians work involves any one with half a brain can learn and master this to a reasonable standard in a very short space of time.

What about the old Pyro, or what they call it in college MICC (Mineral Insulated Copper Clad cable)? Only asking.

PS Apparently it's no longer to be taught in the new 2357!

 

[Big n Daft]

What about the old Pyro, or what they call it in college MICC (Mineral Insulated Copper Clad cable)? Only asking.

PS Apparently it's no longer to be taught in the new 2357!

Lost art!!
Used to do churches in the stuff, best way of carrying 'lectric ever invented.

 

[cbw]

Only ever used pyro to hook T+E in ceiling cavity...............

Hmmm must be lying, why would I have pyro off cuts everywhere??????

 

[millwall ken]

What about the old Pyro, or what they call it in college MICC (Mineral Insulated Copper Clad cable)? Only asking.

PS Apparently it's no longer to be taught in the new 2357!

Agree with you on pyro mate, but thats a dying art because it ain't used so much now a days. NOT because people can't do it.

 

[Marvo]

I can only imagine Pikeys dream of the day Pyro becomes fashionable again.

 

[UNG]

Lost art!!
Used to do churches in the stuff, best way of carrying 'lectric ever invented.

Still got all my pyro tools if this "lost art" makes a comeback, cable dressing at it's best, now that would sort the wheat from the chaff

 

[tazmantic]

I served my time on crap wages while other mates earnt good money, worked hard and kept my nose clean to earn a "trade" telling my self they will always need sparkys......... working in a tannery with hundreds of workers subjected to my work on three phase installations, machines, sub stations etc on equipment that swam in water and others in solvent so explosion proof fittings were needed only now to be told I cant change my own fuse board without having it tested........but some guy thats sat in a class room and done a few courses can....... RANT over lol but its not just the electrical trade its happening in..

Just cus your not time served does not mean your not a good sparky its all about experance (which cant be got unless your given a chance to prove yourself) and pride in your work. If your not bothered what your work looks like then it dont matter if your time served or straight out of a class room.....Ive worked with some really good sparks that can work wonders with conduit lol and also others that just wanna collect there wages at the end of the day...

 

[sparks_114]

Mind you a couple of weeks ago I was priced out of a job because I chose steel trunking and conduit and a fellow competing spark chose pyro! I'd have chosen pyro too but didn't deem it appropriate for a mechanic's with lots of damp conditions (and lots of knocking around).

 

[LlandrilloSpark]

Pyro or MIMMS hasn't been "forced" on the level 2 2330 students for at least the last three years!, it's never in the exam, neither is tray !

 

[millwall ken]

Still got all my pyro tools if this "lost art" makes a comeback, cable dressing at it's best, now that would sort the wheat from the chaff

Alright I'll give you that one mate, pyro certainly ain't as forgiving as conduit or trunking. And jesus trying to straighten out a kink!!!

 

[millwall ken]

Mind you a couple of weeks ago I was priced out of a job because I chose steel trunking and conduit and a fellow competing spark chose pyro! I'd have chosen pyro too but didn't deem it appropriate for a mechanic's with lots of damp conditions (and lots of knocking around).

Mate, I bet you're right gutted. Can't understand why'd they go for pyro above metal containment. Insurance requirement maybe? No, can't see that as it would of been in the tender. Erm... Interesting one mate, maybe he just didn't like Charlton fans!!!

 

[sparks_114]

Pyro or MIMMS hasn't been "forced" on the level 2 2330 students for at least the last three years!, it's never in the exam, neither is tray !

Pyro and tray were both part of the practical exercises. Also a question or two would come up in the exam on pyro: what would be the best cable to use where constant high temperatures conditions are likely to exist? (made that one up)

 

[LlandrilloSpark]

Sadly not in the remit of 2330 now along with the three phase motor and safe isolation of a three phase circuit, shame, I see students walk out of tech with a 2330 L2 without wiring a motor or doing MIMMS and maybe makingba trunking bend once and tray once

 

[alarm man]

I've been chucked out of a restaurant and spent 3 nights on the sofa because I had a row in said restaurant over the poor quality conduit

what were you doing ken..eating it..:dozey:

 

[millwall ken]

what were you doing ken..eating it..:dozey:

No mate, I was out for a nice 'romantic' evening with the missus.

Got there, and the service was a joke. So the missus started waffling off about this, that and everything - so naturally my mind started to wonder. Checked out a bird with a lovely top rack, ditto the waitresses' peachy behind BUT then I started to take things in; about the decor... Sloppy paintwork, etc.

Then I noticed the tray and conduit work. So up I got for a closer look at a conduit drop (to a switch), and it had three kinks in it. It was s***e.

I mentioned it to the missus, but it went over her head.

So I started to glance around and I noticed over things like poorly slotted tray, 25mm conduit going into 20mm then back to 25mm (purely because they must of run out of one size pipe or the other but had a few adaptors/reducers knocking about). And my own favourite, they had done a bridge set in the tray over some suspended conduit (which was hanging off of hangers!!!)

The service got worse after the starters; plus there was a group of chavvy birds non-stop laughing over my left shoulder... So I sort of got a bit upset. And rather than row with the missus I started to question the manager on the shoody workmanship. Needless to say, we got asked to leave and I spent three nights on the sofa.

We laugh about it now but it really pee'd me off that a so-called spark would of put his name to such crap workmanship.