Industry failing us

[Jonson]

I just wanted to post a bit of a moan I suppose, i think it's ashame how electrical industry falling to peices, with all these short courses on offer to part time cowboys, what happened to 4 year apprenticeships then calling yourself a spark, no wonder wages are rubbish and standard of work is poor, calling yourself a spark when you have done your theory, do you reckon these guys can bend conduit and submit decent work. I know it's a moan but frustrating for us apprenticeship trained guys, what's other peops views on this

 

[tommy76it]

Which is one of the problems with the apprenticeship vs 'all theory up front' debate, apprenticeships aren't what they used to be. The theory part of the training doesn't take anything like four years if it's done all in one hit. So much of the practical side which was learned on the job is no longer required due to changes in specs, materials, methods, tools etc etc So the truth of it is the days of the 'proper' four year apprenticeship are gone for good. That's not to say that it's the end of high standards, quality workmanship and skilled people, just that things, as always, have changed.

nonsence.

 

[tommy76it]

As previously said the Inspection, Testing, Certification and fault finding sorts the MEN (real sparks) from the BOYS
(installation sparks, conduit etc)[/QUOTE]

Installation sparks do it all m8.
Testing,certification and fault finding is all cushy easy work imo.

 

[sma_cafc]

Who rattled electricalservs cage again?
There is no need to bring the MIGHTY Charlton into the arguement.
I am a time served spark and therefore am the nuts

time for the pub and a flat out Ukrainian

 

[tommy76it]

If youve never been graded electrician by the jib then your not officially an electrician in the uk.End of story.

 

[Engineer54]

but so is a marine electrican, panel wireman, linesman, maintenance spark etc etc etc so going by the bending conduit reference if your not carrying out conduit bending in any of these roles or a million other within the industry then your not a spark?

Dont get me wrong YES it is a required skill needed depending on your role, but to imply your not an electrician on this basis alone (not your reference - but to the op) is in my opinion an insult to all the men getting up and going to work everyday as electricians where there particular job does not require them to work with conduit. At least 5 years since i worked on a large installation which required tray and conduit work so i now no longer qualify?

No, that's not what i said in my post.... What i am saying is, that whether you use conduit on a daily basis, or hardly ever use it in your particular role as an electrician, ...You should still as an electrician, have a suitable level of skill in the erection of electrical containment systems, conduit being the most commonly utilised form of containment...

Not sure if panel wireman and linesmen are classified as electricians, they are certainly part of the electrical industry. I think you'll find they follow different training and C&G paths to electricians... Though i don't know for certain??

I am NOT saying you are any less an electrician if you don't use it in your your particular type of electrical work, far from it...

 

[mayfair]

what a load a crap

If youve never been graded electrician by the jib then your not officially an electrician in the uk.End of story.

 

[Electricalserv]

If youve never been graded electrician by the jib then your not officially an electrician in the uk.End of story.

Lol. This is the exact post that rattles me. What an uneducated statment. Unfortunately me and alot of others (not JIB) are fully qualified electricians in our sector. We don't need a gold card. Our competence has been assessed by our schemes. I sign peoples work off mate.


So ramble on all you want. Continue with your gold card. I'm not interested. You tell my clients I am not an electrician and see what response you get. You will be laughed out of town.

Installation sparks do it all m8.
Testing,certification and fault finding is all cushy easy work imo.
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Installation sparks are exactly that. Installation sparks. Contaninment installers. Wire pullers. Donkey workers. Inspectors (2391) - are the dogs of this trade. No testing qual no electrician FACT

 

[Electricalserv]

At least you spelt my last name correctly, and you have internet access to companies house.

Show me a thread where I said I was a time served spark.

Show me a thread where I stated i was an all singing spark like YOU mr 2391.

I'M going to bed now before I tell you what 99% of people here know what you are.

Because of what you are, you got banned before. You're a troll. and 99% of us hope you wither on the vine. It was so easy to spot your reemergence DoBBY because you're translucent.

You do what you do. You ain't no labourer, but you don't help yourself with your comments. 99% of us here wish you would ...off and leave us with a tidy forum.

Scum

You had the bottle to call me a labourer because I don't have NVQ3 mate. You laid your bed with me. Say what you want. I don't get on with everyone on here because I give my point to people like you are very narrow minded in this industry. Because we aren't JIB we're not sparks in your eyes.


I'm like a dog with a bone I can't give in. You are abusive constantly. How you aint been banned I don't know!

 

[alarm man]

FACT
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my course said 'electrical installation' never knew it meant i would be classed as a donkey worker..

 

[tommy76it]

Lol. This is the exact post that rattles me. What an uneducated statment. Unfortunately me and alot of others (not JIB) are fully qualified electricians in our sector. We don't need a gold card. Our competence has been assessed by our schemes. I sign peoples work off mate.


So ramble on all you want. Continue with your gold card. I'm not interested. You tell my clients I am not an electrician and see what response you get. You will be laughed out of town.



Installation sparks are exactly that. Installation sparks. Contaninment installers. Wire pullers. Donkey workers. Inspectors (2391) - are the dogs of this trade. No testing qual no electrician FACT

You talk some amount of rubish.Your an electrician in your own head.No one would employ you as an electrician if you aint got the grade card.

 

[tommy76it]

what a load a crap

i take it your not graded then.?

 

[JamesBrownLive]

P.S. how do you get those speech bubbles to show up?
Im just clicking reply with quote and it looks much better the way you guys are doing it.

After you have pressed the 'Reply with Quote' button, if you want to edit the quote you can, but you must ensure you don't delete any of the text at the start and at the end that is contained in [ ] brackets. You must also ensure you don't delete the brackets themselves.

If you follow that advice you will get the speech bubbles appear :wink5:

HTH

 

[mayfair]

Think Admin should close this thread before someone gets hurt.

You talk some amount of rubish.Your an electrician in your own head.No one would employ you as an electrician if you aint got the grade card.

 

[tommy76it]

Inspectors (2391) - are the dogs of this trade. No testing qual no electrician FACT
[/QUOTE]

Lol.Is that what the guy at the training centre told you.?

 

[mayfair]

Final word from me ! Go away you silly annoying, person. Thats polite for me so Bye

i take it your not graded then.?

 

[millwall ken]

Inspectors (2391) - are the dogs of this trade. No testing qual no electrician FACT

Lol.Is that what the guy at the training centre told you.?[/QUOTE]


What? You have no 2391?

 

[VoltzElectrical]

I'll give this retort an answer it doesn't deserve.

I'm not abusive. You have wrongly posted personal details that I have not chosen to reveal myself and I am in consultation about how to proceed on this. I'll think you'll find that in my last post I said that I don't consider you to be a labourer, but you are a troll.

I am very Open Minded. I am Humble . I ask questions that maybe open up other questions about my abilities because I am willing to learn.

I don't come on here espousing wisdom on everything.

I come on here to enjoy the stories and hopefully to add something where I think I can, and always with the caveat that I can be corrected and enlightened by anybody with the suitably respectful tone.

you, sir, have ruffled so many feathers that your opinions are most unwelcome to the vast majority here.

I suggest you devote your time to another forum.

 

[tommy76it]

Lol.Is that what the guy at the training centre told you.?

What? You have no 2391?[/QUOTE]
Yes i do have it.But its nothing go bamming about.It doesnt make a m8 a sparky.

 

[VoltzElectrical]

You had the bottle to call me a labourer because I don't have NVQ3 mate. You laid your bed with me. Say what you want. I don't get on with everyone on here because I give my point to people like you are very narrow minded in this industry. Because we aren't JIB we're not sparks in your eyes.


I'm like a dog with a bone I can't give in. You are abusive constantly. How you aint been banned I don't know!

I'll give this retort an answer it doesn't deserve.

I'm not abusive. You have wrongly posted personal details that I have not chosen to reveal myself and I am in consultation about how to proceed on this. I'll think you'll find that in my last post I said that I don't consider you to be a labourer, but you are a troll.

I am very Open Minded. I am Humble . I ask questions that maybe open up other questions about my abilities because I am willing to learn.

I don't come on here espousing wisdom on everything.

I come on here to enjoy the stories and hopefully to add something where I think I can, and always with the caveat that I can be corrected and enlightened by anybody with the suitably respectful tone.

you, sir, have ruffled so many feathers that your opinions are most unwelcome to the vast majority here.

I suggest you devote your time to another forum.

 

[alarm man]

a good spark should be able to turn his hand to a few things,be it conduit,tray,testing,domestic/industrial,jib or not..

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Think Admin should close this thread before someone gets hurt.

I agree, I really dont understand why people can't ignore or move on from what may appear to be abusive or offensive to them.

 

[Electricalserv]

I'll give this retort an answer it doesn't deserve.

I'm not abusive. You have wrongly posted personal details that I have not chosen to reveal myself and I am in consultation about how to proceed on this. I'll think you'll find that in my last post I said that I don't consider you to be a labourer, but you are a troll.

I am very Open Minded. I am Humble . I ask questions that maybe open up other questions about my abilities because I am willing to learn.

I don't come on here espousing wisdom on everything.

I come on here to enjoy the stories and hopefully to add something where I think I can, and always with the caveat that I can be corrected and enlightened by anybody with the suitably respectful tone.

you, sir, have ruffled so many feathers that your opinions are most unwelcome to the vast majority here.

I suggest you devote your time to another forum.

You revealed yourself No-one else. Nobody knows what your talking about look on Jasons wall. Your a director of Voltz Electrical and you posted your name. That will be all

 

[Mark_Burgess]

What? You have no 2391?

Yes i do have it.But its nothing go bamming about.It doesnt make a m8 a sparky.[/QUOTE]

Can you please make your mind up!

In another thread 3 weeks ago, you said you are to take it on Thursday, now I know for a FACT you would not have had the results yet!!

Be a man, stop taking the bait from others and dishing it out also, and move on from this thread, there is more to life than arguing about who can do what.

 

[Electricalserv]

Yes i do have it.But its nothing go bamming about.It doesnt make a m8 a sparky.

Can you please make your mind up!

In another thread 3 weeks ago, you said you are to take it on Thursday, now I know for a FACT you would not have had the results yet!!

Be a man, stop taking the bait from others and dishing it out also, and move on from this thread, there is more to life than arguing about who can do what.[/QUOTE]


HAHAHAHA

 

[tommy76it]

Yes i do have it.But its nothing go bamming about.It doesnt make a m8 a sparky.

Can you please make your mind up!

In another thread 3 weeks ago, you said you are to take it on Thursday, now I know for a FACT you would not have had the results yet!!


Impressive Mr Columbo your right.Recon ive passed it though.But it aint really anything to bam about though which a lot of people seem to do.

Be a man, stop taking the bait from others and dishing it out also, and move on from this thread, there is more to life than arguing about who can do what.[/QUOTE]

 

[tommy76it]

Can you please make your mind up!

In another thread 3 weeks ago, you said you are to take it on Thursday, now I know for a FACT you would not have had the results yet!!

Be a man, stop taking the bait from others and dishing it out also, and move on from this thread, there is more to life than arguing about who can do what.

HAHAHAHA[/QUOTE]
Ill have that qual written on the back of my gold card by August m8.

 

[LlandrilloSpark]

Oh stuff this, Tommy put a "T" where 76 is will you......if I get banned for that I'll take it on the chin, what a faker

 

[Electricalserv]

HAHAHAHA

Ill have that qual written on the back of my gold card by August m8.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't count on it. Its a tough exam mate.

I wonder how many lie about their quals on here though. Please please don't be stupid enought o lie about quals then shoot yourself in the foot in other threads.

At least I'm truthful. I could come on and say I've got NVQ3 but I don't.


These threads should get stopped straight away because they always start bickering. One way or another. If I get banned because of the one who follows me round constantly. Constantly stairs crap, its a sellout!

 

[Spudnik]

Put the handbags away ladies.

As i said many times before, any more insults and trolling and accounts will be removed, and to be honest i am starting to get bored by it all.

I have been fairly lenient so far, so please try not to encourage me.

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Put the handbags away ladies.

As i said many times before, any more insults and trolling and accounts will be removed, and to be honest i am starting to get bored by it all.

I have been fairly lenient so far, so please try not to encourage me.

Do the right thing Jason and just close it. Lenny has already issued a polite warning.