is this normal or are these cowboys?

[Midwest]

The inside does look a bit of a mess. The cables entering the CU to the left have no grommet/gland to prevent abrasion with the metal knockout and to maintain the IP rating. Looks the same from the cables entering the back of the CU, should have some grommet strip, and probably from the top. I cant see any cables terminated to suggest if the gas & water services have been bonded (these may be terminated o/s the CU)? There is something strange with the cable terminated into the first MCB on the right? A pictured panned back a bit and including the top of the CU would be useful.

Although the tidiness of cables terminated inside a CU, doesn't suggest the installation has not be carried out correctly etc, it does show a lack of pride by the installer. But I've seen worse.

Is your installer a member of a scheme?

PS a picture of the front of the CU, including any labels would also be useful.

 

[westward10]

That is a poor install for a "rewire", some circuits are clearly existing. The first cpc on the right of the earth bar is tinned copper wrapped in tape. The knock out to the back leaves conductors exposed to a combustible surface. No mechanical protection to the left side entry cables.
Sorry to say and I know people work to different standards but that is a rough job.
I too have been looking at the first circuit conductor trying to make it out, looks existing as someone has marked it, does it tally to the tinned cpc, is it rubber?
Op what does the first circuit do, the one by the main switch.

 

[Andrew77]

Here is a photo panted back a bit, one of the front with the labels (I can just about read them) and one of where the earth seems to split - one goes to the earth stake outside, one into the box and one into the ceiling somewhere. I don't suppose there's any way of telling if the water is earth bonded? I don't have gas. I'd I asked the electrician he would tell me they did it but I don't think I trust him.

There will be 1 old circuit which is the old cooker, the new one is in a different room, the old cable is to come out in a few weeks time, so bit worth renewing.

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[Andrew77]

Installer is a member of NAPIT apparently. Is this so bad that I should be worried?

 

[Midwest]

Oh dear, doesn't look very good. Where is the CU in relation to that first pic? A picture slightly panned out of that first shot would be useful.

Being in a scheme may be a good thing, for you. Sharp intake of breath. It's very easy for us to sit here and criticise other peoples 'work' or standards, but I've seen neater bowls of spaghetti.

 

[Andy78]

Installer is a member of NAPIT apparently. Is this so bad that I should be worried?

You can contact napit to confirm their membership and with any concerns including the withholding of certificates or job dissatisfaction and that should serve as a gentle prod to the installer.

 

[Midwest]

Is this so bad that I should be worried?

Purposely replying to this part of your question, just because it is not neat, doesn't mean it's unsafe.

I thing you need to get your snagging list together and have that completed. It may be that you would have to employ another electrician to inspect this work, to get a real sense of whether this rewire has been correctly done. Making any assessment by looking at pictures, is not the way it should be done. As your electrician is registered with Napit, there may be a facility for them to have a view, but I suspect they will say the contract is between you & your electrician. But you can complain to them, they will have a complaints procedure.

 

[westward10]

There is no mcb cover on the board. No fire barrier in the ceiling. Can you show a pic of the cutout to see how it is earthed. Earth terminal needs a warning notice. Agree with Midwest, untidy doesn't mean unsafe but it certainly reflects the standard of work.

 

[Diddy]

Having seen the pictures I concur it certainly is untidy...or as a tradesman would say rough. I would say there are a few things that we could probably point too as areas for attention. Nothing life threatening but I would be giving Napit a call if the electrician does not provide you with a satisfactory job. Personally I don't like the way the cables are just slung in and also the routing around the copper pipe is...."interesting". I don't know weather you should be worried...but if this is the "best" part of the install then it certainly does not look great.
On balance I think my advice would be to get an independent report done by another electrician. I know this may cost you another £150 or even more depending on the size of the installation needing checked...But for that you should then be armed with a report listing the faults that need rectifying if any. As said maybe NAPIT would send someone out from their own list to check it over so no need for you to pay for another independent electrician.
I suppose it all depends on if you are still willing to let the electrician involved to rectify any issues...if the relationship has broken down then you can only call NAPIT - email them those pictures if the facility allows. Maybe someone on here who is with NAPIT knows more of their procedures.
Also could you try to get a better shot/picture of circuit 1 on the right (Cooker) - the red cable seems an odd color. At first glance it even looks like VIR.....which if it is needs replacing.

 

[westward10]

I think NAPIT'S response would be to discuss it with the contractor to try and resolve the issues before they got involved. Third party opinion is the way to to go but as you say this is another outlay which it may be possible to recoup.

 

[geordie]

Having seen the pictures I concur it certainly is untidy...or as a tradesman would say rough. I would say there are a few things that we could probably point too as areas for attention. Nothing life threatening but I would be giving Napit a call if the electrician does not provide you with a satisfactory job. Personally I don't like the way the cables are just slung in and also the routing around the copper pipe is...."interesting". I don't know weather you should be worried...but if this is the "best" part of the install then it certainly does not look great.
On balance I think my advice would be to get an independent report done by another electrician. I know this may cost you another £150 or even more depending on the size of the installation needing checked...But for that you should then be armed with a report listing the faults that need rectifying if any. As said maybe NAPIT would send someone out from their own list to check it over so no need for you to pay for another independent electrician.
I suppose it all depends on if you are still willing to let the electrician involved to rectify any issues...if the relationship has broken down then you can only call NAPIT - email them those pictures if the facility allows. Maybe someone on here who is with NAPIT knows more of their procedures.
Also could you try to get a better shot/picture of circuit 1 on the right (Cooker) - the red cable seems an odd color. At first glance it even looks like VIR.....which if it is needs replacing.

Do not get anyone else in to look at check etc on the installation do to do anymore work on it at all. Till napit have been in touch if you do let anyone else or do anymore work napit will wash there hands of it.

 

[westward10]

Do not get anyone else in to look at check etc on the installation do to do anymore work on it at all. Till napit have been in touch if you do let anyone else or do anymore work napit will wash there hands of it.

Why can't a third party "look" at it, we all are. I don't know much about NAPIT but are you saying they will intervene prior to negotiations between the op and contractor.

 

[davesparks]

The guy is asking for payment before certificate and part P being issued to me. At least I know that's not the way round it should be. I seriously doubt whether I would get s**t in terms of documentation of I paid first.

Why shouldn't he ask for payment before issuing the certificate? it can take weeks for the part P schemes to issue their papaerwork so why should an electrician have to suffer through their incompetence?

 

[davesparks]

NAPIT won't do anything, I've tried getting them to show an interest in a dangerous installation in the past and all they say is that you have to speak to the installer.

 

[geordie]

Why can't a third party "look" at it, we all are. I don't know much about NAPIT but are you saying they will intervene prior to negotiations between the op and contractor.

Have been though this with someone who had a very dangerous install done. And because a 3rd party i.e. Me had been to the property napit said there is nothing they can do. Customer had no choice as the cooker casing was live.