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I thought it had Been nuked already?
There was an airburst nuclear weapon tested over Liverpool in the late 70s. It caused ÂŁ3.75 worth of damage.
Since then it's been largely rebuilt.
 
I was doing a job recently for a guy who before retiring was a colonel in the USAF .
we got onto the subject of the mh17 and he was of the opinion that to shoot a plane down from that height needs serious weapons with a crew and training to boot.
never mind some militia with a ak47 rocket grenade.
russian forces or at a push Russian backed behind it.
as with the Middle East the sooner we can rid ourselves of the Russians one trick pony economy the better.
I remember ronny ray gun had the b52s up in the air in the early 80s and they had to turn back when a false alarm was declared.
everyone was thinking that this was the end,scary times if I mind right.
good point about the jihadi terror alert being a smoke screen over hotter political hot potatoes like Doncaster and the like.
cameron did the same bringing up the Scottish referendum when being in Europe was the main event that week.
it backfired on him big style
 
Having to rely on Russian gas is a pain for angela merkel, but a necessary one due to the high risk of tsunamis and earth quakes in Germany....
 
Do we actually need Russian gas and coal?
It'll almost certainly cost more, but I think we have all we need in Western Europe.
As far as I know, most of our petrochem comes from Norway, none from CCCP, apart from some coal.
 
I disagree that the plane was diverted into a no fly zone. Assurances had been given that no aircraft would be fired upon if it were above a certain elevation, MH17 was well above the elevation specified. Other airlines were flying exactly the same route, it appears to me that whoever gave the order to bring it down wanted to test the resolve of the west.

The Zone was no fly regardless of the media reports the route that plane took was diverted and yet not answers from air triffic control, the story you heard probably was an out of range height to fly altitiude wise but the GTA-missile both Ukraine and Russia have are supplied from the same source and the range extends above the altitude that the plane was flying..... Eastern Ukraine is one of the biggest military parts for weapons providers in the world and this is yet another domino in the crisis.

Western media expressed assurances over a certain height but the air control gave a no flight zone in that area which for some reaon was over-ruled on that day which was coincidently very positive for western media to give good reason to give pointless sanctions to Russia .. short-term disruption to hide a deepening military strategical game of chess .... don't get caught up in the bull sheite media you watch and read in this country its all guided and gives a biased view to justify any moves we make be it sactions or military action.
 
So are you claiming that it's part of a conspiracy theory?

No not at all .... anything Ive said is easily confirmed with very good evidence ..what Im saying is what the news feeds you and the media is biased and in some cases unintentional because we are fed from countries (USA) events on the ground ....but in this very rare occasion the Americans back tracked on the russia bringing the Flight down as they had np evidence -- highly embarrassing to USA we had already gone with the story but...Never did one paper rectify its claims after and to this day their is no evidence Russia brought it down ...

Don't get me wrong Im not trying to say they didn't but the media is politically driven and to set sanctions they need to get the populous on board so their isn't a backlash ...look at the Gaza western support for Israel totally backfired due to social media attention which isn't controlled, either read all sources of media and make a judgement or dont get brought into the bull......

Look at the media tomorrow ...ISIS siezed to exist earliar on this year they are now split into various different bands of differing values but the media still round them all up into the same bracket ..America again are trying to justify reasons to bomb them and yes the real original ISIS are very nasty people but they are now trying to protect their petro-dollar sales of oil and if an Islamic state were to be created it could cripple the USA as they control the oil flow and won't agree to sell in the dollar (Petro Dollar)... coincidence their push to cripple Russia's status in the world just because they are in talks to sell oil in another currency .....every recent invasion from america has been against countries who tried to sell oil in a different currency than dollars.. this is not a conspiracy theory its well documented but the general media who carve the minds of 99% of the public dont really think you need to know this.
 
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I think the biggest immediate threat in reality is the home grown jihadis who have joined forces in Iraq and Syria who may well return home ...
if the numbers the media report are involved then some will definitely slip through the net and commit atrocities on civilian targets ,this will cause untold resentment towards the Muslim communities creating more wannabe jihadis ,

ironic really when most Muslims see Islam as a tolerant religion that the most idealised cannot see that what they are actually doing is ignoring foundations of the religion they claim to be defending.
 
Also one comment to make re an earlier statement about technology winning wars
While it certainly helps I can think of several recent wars where a much higher technological advantage was held by the losing sides
Think Vietnam, Soviet vs Afghanistan and the recent Afghan incursion some may say we beat the Taliban down but did we really? Sure they lost many more fighters but they play the waiting game and I think will be back for sure.
My own family has fought in every Afghan British confrontation over the last century and the simple fact is they can tolerate a death count that we as a modern country cannot.
 
I think the biggest immediate threat in reality is the home grown jihadis who have joined forces in Iraq and Syria who may well return home ...
if the numbers the media report are involved then some will definitely slip through the net and commit atrocities on civilian targets ,this will cause untold resentment towards the Muslim communities creating more wannabe jihadis ,

ironic really when most Muslims see Islam as a tolerant religion that the most idealised cannot see that what they are actually doing is ignoring foundations of the religion they claim to be defending.

The very threat I earlier noted as the biggest risk to WW3 for your exact reasons.
 
Yes you mentioned it before me I apologise if I'm duplicating anything said before but its hard not to ,this being a forum and all that.
I'm just agreeing and putting some of my thoughts on the subject with a bit more detail
But I didn't mention WW3 as I don't think it's that likely to come from this threat more on a terrorist level
 

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