JIB Electrotechnical Certification Scheme (ECS) JIB told me I wasn't a spark.....?

[p11jor]

Phoned the j I b up and told them my quals

2330 level 3
2392
2391
17th edition

They told me I was a level 1 trainee.....

 

[sparks1973]

anyway...got some fault finding to do tomorrow....lamps poping at a house....either crap lamps fitted ..or intermittant neutral-earth fault maybe....

 

[telectrix]

No disrectful Tel, but was a HND in 1979 the recognized qualification needed to be a qualified electrician via an apprenticeship? such as the 2360, 2330 etc. This is what I mean!

And I know you know your stuff..... A lot more than me

i take your point. the HND was biased more towards industrial design, far too much theory, little practical ( company i did the apprenticeship with was more concerned with using apps. to do menial shop floor work. ) . as for electrical installation, at the time i didn't have too much idea, but my mindset has always been on the practical side. so i studied the books, the theory, did a part time course, got the practical experience working with a gem of a guy, did a few years repairing appliances, TVs, installing alarms, CCTV, maybe an unconventional way in, but it worked for me.

 

[Mainman]

Only issue i have with the JIB is that from reading many posts it seem's that someone with over 20 years of electrical experience has to do NVQ 3 to be called a sparks now, 20+ yrs ago NVQ just didn't exist to my knowledge.

NVQ 3 has been around since the Eighties but changed in the 1990's putting the onus on the candidate to collect evidence.

My experience of many Colleges are that they are in many cases blinkered and only recognise the Apprenticeship - 2330, Keyskills, 2356 and AM2. As ou correctly point out, what about the guy's doing the job for years or those that have been trained in similar occupations such as the MOD? You can still become graded as a spark, just prove your competence to the JIB

 

[sparks1973]

as far as i can remember if he got a job for a jib co and had all his certs they could then if they felt so apply for him by them to be graded as a jib electrcian,not certain if you could be graded as app elec before elec if he didnt do a jib apprenticeship,tho dont quote me on that..

well the thing is i don`t know exactly how it works....there seems to be quite a few of these `JIB said this...said that` stories in here....

 

[Mainman]

My mate Rob is on the dole, can't find his certs(he's moved around a lot following his divorce)and can't afford to replace them, they told him if he can provide 10 years of work references they will consider what grade they will give him. I reckon he'll get something like trainee or labourer, what do you think guys?

Only if he can prove competence as a labourer:lol:

 

[trev]

Only if he can prove competence as a labourer:lol:

That's him screwed then because he's a bloody good spark. I know he's time served because we were at college together.
Yes, I can remember all those years ago

 

[DurhamSparky]

Finish your dinner lads and you'll get the card. Simples!!!

Strange how the only people who slag the JIB off are either Electrical Trainee, mates, improver or 'technicians' from other occupations.

Like I said the JIB are the only ones keeping our industry serious and battling against what must be hundreds and hundreds of training centres.

please clarify other occupations...??

 

[cdavies33]

please clarify other occupations...??

Stop deliberately looking for an argument, you now exactly what I mean

 

[ExArmy]

i'm all for it, if they are hard to get then they are worth something. if they just handed gold cards out you'd have something else to moan about.

 

[Strima]

I'm proud to be classed as a JIB labourer... :lol:

 

[sparks1973]

well part of me thinks if you can do the job....then go for it....but also another part of me thinks that there needs to be some sort of grading system in place to provide an identifiable means of classing someone..(if that makes any sense?)

 

[D80]

JIB, amazed it's still going. They had a great chance to lead the industry at a time, and blew it. They could be rivalling the scams now, but don't see them in the picture.

My JIB Card expired about 4-5 years ago, don't see any need to renew it.

 

[ExArmy]

well part of me thinks if you can do the job....then go for it....but also another part of me thinks that there needs to be some sort of grading system in place to provide an identifiable means of classing someone..(if that makes any sense?)

yeah i agree there, if only it were that simple though. trouble is C&G change the courses every week, ELECS/NAPIT/NICEIC are all calling people "electricians" if you just pay them a fee (i know most of us are... but all you need is 17th and a years membership...) and the general non electrical public hears so much jargon they are just baffled and don't know whats what anymore

 

[sparks1973]

yeah i agree there, if only it were that simple though. trouble is C&G change the courses every week, ELECS/NAPIT/NICEIC are all calling people "electricians" if you just pay them a fee (i know most of us are... but all you need is 17th and a years membership...) and the general non electrical public hears so much jargon they are just baffled and don't know whats what anymore

well take the 2391 as an example...now, this course is a bit old school (closed book written exam) as opposed to the online guess that passes for exams now...but i heard it was going the same way....online GOLA...so is this true?.....and if so how is that going to help the industry?....provide a bit more `self esteem`?....

 

[robsparky1975]

Im a Trainee as no NVQ3,ive got something to aim for then the elusive gold card,did even have a laugh with the fella at the JIB when i said an niceic approved firm made me their QSmi said surely a trainee shoudl not be checking/testing/approving others works.Silence on end of phone.I will do the nvq3 at some stage but £700 seems a rip off