Jib wage

[flyingsausage]

You have a case under employment law that you are doing the same job as other workers and have the same qualifications but are getting paid less.
This is the route the Union would take or also go for age discrimination - by that I mean that you are younger than the other workers and they think that they can give give you less pay because of this.

Smudge is quite right in what he is saying about the SJIB rates being a guide only.
We have to remember that the SJIB is totally indepentant off the JIB and sets it's own rules.So the JIB rules could be totally different.

 

[madmac]

Are you a member of Unite the Union? If not, then join!
You say you are an Approved JIB Electrician, well then, you are entitled to be paid the correct rates of pay!
This company are taking advantage of your inexperience and this is why we have unions, they have the expertise to represent your views properly and legally!
Sausage is right, they are in breach of employment law as you are not being paid what your work colleagues with same qualifications/grade are being paid.
Also, although the JIB/SJIB National Working Rules are used as guidelines, they ARE also enforceable under employment law as they constitute your terms and conditions of employment and National Working Agreements have special recognition in employment law!
Involve the union with immediate effect and don't fear for your job, you are full time employed and are protected as long as you do things by the book i.e. use the union and they will take charge of your situation and follow the JIB Disputes Procedure if the company don't pay you correct rates and they will also force them to pay you backdated pay from when you became "Approved".
Be under no illusion, the company are chancing their arm and will NOT simply agree to pay you just because you want them to, this company are showing their true colours by not giving you the correct rate in the first place and it's they who have created this unnecessary situation in the first place!!!
This is what we pay our union dues for, otherwise there's no point in being in the union and there's no point in the company being signatory to the JIB Agreement!!!
All the best and don't back down!

 

[flyingsausage]

The difference of a paying one man an extra pound odd and hour he is due is next to nothing for the out goings of a contractor with serveral sparks on their books.
It is nothing short of a slap in the face.

 

[Dannyboisparky1]

Ok thanks for all your views on this. Would I still be able to go ahead with my claim under employment laws ect. If my company pulled out of the jib. E.g because I'm doing same job same grade and so on

 

[mogga]

sorry to say it Macn Sausage I personaly feel wha tyou are saying is corrrect in a perfect world BUT rais something like this with employment rights ect ect ect YOU will fear for your job or you will get the cruddy jobs to cheese you off and there is very little anyone can do about it

 

[flyingsausage]

Ok thanks for all your views on this. Would I still be able to go ahead with my claim under employment laws ect. If my company pulled out of the jib. E.g because I'm doing same job same grade and so on

The answer is yes,but you must seek some professional help with this.

 

[mogga]

FES Use to have 100 guys on different rates ect ect JIB/SJIB even say that the rates are a "guide"

 

[flyingsausage]

FES still pay some of their Clampits with a daily rate,and their rate depends on who they are related too.

 

[Farmelectrics]

whos fes lads

 

[flyingsausage]

One of the worst electricial contractors in Scotland - scum of the earth

 

[Risteard]

there is no criminal offence in not paying the JIB rate for the qualification. It is not acceptable, however under the JIB rules.

Again, as I said, there could be a breach of contract and therefore unlawful (i.e. illegal) deduction of wages.

 

[Infamous]

Secondly the time requirement of the Approved grade has gone. An Electrician simply has to take the relevant C&G course (2391) and once completed is entitled to the grade under JIB rules..

Source? Are you sure on this? I thought it was still a minimum of 2 years at Electrician grade and the 2391 prior to Approved grade?

 

[flyingsausage]

It cannot be an illegal deduction when he is getting underpaid in the first place.
The man has to see an expert in these matters who can guide him down the right route to take.

 

[Risteard]

It cannot be an illegal deduction when he is getting underpaid in the first place.
The man has to see an expert in these matters who can guide him down the right route to take.

Of course it can. If they are not paying what the contract requires them to pay then it is an unlawful deduction and can be pursued through legal avenues.

 

[flyingsausage]

I see where you are comming from.