junction boxes. good or bad?

[Cirrus]

I use JB's every now and then to extend a circuit in order to save the time pulling a new circuit in. IMO, if terminated properly and accessible (and screwed down) then there is nothing wrong. However, if undergoing a rewire then there is no excuse for JB's.

 

[rumrunner]

I use JB's every now and then to extend a circuit in order to save the time pulling a new circuit in. IMO, if terminated properly and accessible (and screwed down) then there is nothing wrong. However, if undergoing a rewire then there is no excuse for JB's.

sorry to disagree cirrus ,but i wouldnt use a joint box to extend any circuit ,i consider it bad practice and would require the job to be done again if i was running the job.

 

[Cirrus]

Time is money old chap

 

[rumrunner]

naw ,its about having pride in your work ,in my opinion it doesnt matter how long a job takes as long as its right ,and money is no excuse for bad workmanship,as i said if you were working on a job i was running and you did that ,i would ask you to put it right ,if you argued about it i would pump you off the job ,its bad practice ,do a job to the best of your ability ,thats what pays in the end

 

[Cirrus]

So are you saying there is NEVER a reason to extend a circuit Rum? It is widely accepted practice to use JB's and even more commonly - crimps. I became a spark to enjoy the work but also make money fella and I would rather use a JB where necessary than 'lose' money by pulling a fresh circuit in.

 

[danzor]

what would you do if u went back to a finished job, finished wooden flooring etc. How would you extend a cable? Or would you wreck the house for a little job?

Like people say, for a new rewire there is no exscuse. I prefer to use JB's for 3 plats connections. A firm I do work for use connector blocks and then choc block them. I see Jb's as a neater job. Just my view

 

[Cirrus]

Same as me Danzor

 

[rumrunner]

what would you do if u went back to a finished job, finished wooden flooring etc. How would you extend a cable? Or would you wreck the house for a little job?

Like people say, for a new rewire there is no exscuse. I prefer to use JB's for 3 plats connections. A firm I do work for use connector blocks and then choc block them. I see Jb's as a neater job. Just my view

Yes ,i would stand by my principles, i would offer a price and if it wasnt accepted i would refuse to do the job ,simple
standards of workmanship are slipping ,thats partly why part p and all the rest of the crap was brought in ,
if you are happy doing a lash up ,thats up to you ,if your boss asks you to do it ,and you dont have the confidence to laugh at him ,and your happy being a puppet,all your life, do it ,
i set my own standards as far as what i deam acceptable practice,im at an advantage over you guys ,i was tought to the highest standard ,but im pleased to note the origional question on this thread ,was is it ok to use joint boxes ,because they told him at college it wasnt ,i agree, just because everyone else does something doesnt make it ok,
like i said you make your own standards.

 

[Cirrus]

Personal standards are great Rum but if I can earn a grand a week being safe and within the regs or £600 a week working by personal standards then it's a no brainer matey. Sorry but in Brown's world where cash is king - cash and safety first and principles second I'm afraid

 

[rumrunner]

Well they say every man has his price ,youre making a lot more than me right now ,so you must be rite,
Every trade has its chancers,i wonder what other "short cuts" you have to take to make your money.
i just hope you dont pass on your bad habits ,to lads that are going to take pride in there work .

 

[Cirrus]

It's not about bad habits Rum. I test everything I do and lets face it, to extend a circuit is no bad thing as long as tested thoroughly. If it is in a loft space and noone can see your 'skills' then who cares? Cables in a loft space - what pride is there to be had in hidden work? Maybe I am missing summat fella

Oh, and why insult me by deliberately calling me a 'chancer'?

 

[rumrunner]

It's not about bad habits Rum. I test everything I do and lets face it, to extend a circuit is no bad thing as long as tested thoroughly. If it is in a loft space and noone can see your 'skills' then who cares? Cables in a loft space - what pride is there to be had in hidden work? Maybe I am missing summat fella

Oh, and why insult me by deliberately calling me a 'chancer'?

no ,i wasnt actually saying you "were a chancer" ,i havent seen your work ,but from what youve said ,money is more important than pride in your work ,and lets face it if you can make a thousand pound a week ,doing domestic work ,why not take some short cuts,as long as you and your boss are happy with it ,carry on ,im like "manuel"(i know nothing) but the fact remains if you did that on one of my jobs i would ask ,ask mind ,that you change it.
i would always price the job to change a cable rather than extend it ,im sure you dont do anything very dangerous

 

[Cirrus]

Very dangerous? I do nothing dangerous Rum. Point taken about your own personal expectations though

 

[rumrunner]

i like to think my standards are high ,i always do a job to the best of my ability ,and have trained others to do the same ,perfection !, and it pays off.
i will never change my opinion about how to do ANY electrical job,i owe that much to the greatful dead

i set a guy on once ,as a subbie ,i asked him if he had done much conduit ,"yeah stacks of it ",i asked him if he could do pyro, "no problem pal" he could throw it in ok ,quicker than me ,i kept telling him it "looked rough" his answer who cares were making ****t loads,
i lost about 3 grand on that job ,the clerk of works failed it ,well his bit anyway ,he said my work was the highest standard he had seen for a very long time,and fixed it so i got a plant room to do next ,on the condition i got rid of the other guy ,
that guy was an experianced electrician ,but didnt do what the customer wanted ,
he let his standards slip.and got pumped.

all the best ,goodnite fella

 

[Andy M]

Very Interesting to read 2 view points, i agree with you both, we all, i hope try to do our work to the highest standards we can, but we are in the same Market Place as people that don't, and the bottom line is, do we do it for love? no we do it for the Money! I agree the Standard of Electrical Work, especially in the Domestic arena has dropped dramatically since i started 24 yrs ago. How many houses do you visit to do an alteration or addition, and the Bonding hasn't been done? I would say 90% of the jobs i go to, and the last person to work on the installation hasn't bothered. I see these latest regs changes and part p, not as a pain in the arse, but as a way of making some more money, but the skill is finding the right client base and leaving the customers who want a cheap job to the "chancers" who will do it for them, and when they come to sell their house in a few years,lets hope it all goes ---- up for them all. Target people who want Quality and Service and are prepared to pay for it. Before i take off my rose tinted glasses and hit the sack- Thought for the day - How many industries or walks of life, where as you gain more experience and become more qualified, does your salary or charges increase? Most i would say, but Electrical Contracting?