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Hi Guys - excuse the long first post.

A neighbour has just had a kitchen installed with the inevitable electrical work being done by a company.

Can I ask a few questions regarding regs? The house is in Scotland, so no mandatory Part P as I understand it.

Cables - I thought that all T&E should be supported every 250mm horizontal runs and 400mm for verticals - the spark has not clipped any cables I can see - including the heavy cooker cable that runs under the floor back to the consumer unit at any point in its run, and also on a couple of other 2.5mm t&e runs from existing dishwasher outlet locations to the new one - same for a few runs of 1.5mm for the lighting. Am I correct in thinking that there should be no exceptions to the 250/400 rule?

Location of 13A sockets - the spark has placed a single non switched socket right next to the mains stop cock - probably 100mm away from it at best - I had read of a 300mm guideline for any socket to be "away" on the horizontal plane from any sink or tap - is what has been done appropriate?


Under cabinet lighting - the spark has taken an existing under cabinet lighting circuit down to the floor level in 1.0mm t&e and then terminated it in a single non switched 13a socket. I thought that this was not permitted as all 13A sockets should be fed by at least 2.5mm t&e or have a fuse/breaker of an appropriate size inline where the cross section changes?

Next, there was earth bonding under and onto the existing sink. The spark has left the main earth loose around the mains water feed - just after the stop cock (where it should be I believe, think regs are within 600mm?). Issue here is its loose - and the spark thinks its not needed at all. My understanding is that as its the mains feed into the building, it should be a good earth (connected tightly) and I agree that sink and tap pipework bonding is no longer needed.

The spark has buried several junction boxes (screw terminal not crimp) and power supplies (little switched mode ones) that supply under the wall cupboard lights actually into the wall (plasterboard) and they are just pushed in there not screwed or fixed to anything. Is this permitted?

Lastly - should I expect a "Select" certificate covering all the work that the spark has touched? If not, what should I expect to see on the cert? I was told a cert would be issued.

Thanks in advance for all your help and advice.


David
 
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Your post doesn't make sense. You refer to a neighbour having work done, then later what "i should expect"!!
 
Ok,what should my neighbour expect?

I was only commenting on what I saw when I was in "having a look at his new kitchen"... and running some cat6 under his floor for him.

I was looking for a professional opinion as to what was acceptable or within code.


David
 
The regs are different in Scotland but at the very least an EIC or a couple of MWC's
 
So have you got a copy of bs7671?

I dont have a paper copy, but if I cant get a straight answer here I am sure I will find it online if that's what I need to do.

There is apparently a very big difference in this trade between what is code and what practitioners frequently do... it seems to be that there are many that profess to know it all but few follow it thoroughly when it comes to walking the walk....

I am asking for advice as to what is applicable in code and what outside of code is normal accepted safe practice.

How hard can you guys make this?



David
 
Well.... If ad I say if you neighbour has a grievance with the spark that did the work shouldn'y they be discussing this with the spark

Did "they" get any certification?
 
Me thinks the OP knows more than he is letting on.


AGH!!!!


I am not winding you guys up..... its the other way around!!

I an not a spark (else I would not ask...) and I have a electronics background but as I say not a spark. I am not even in the electronic trade these days either, nor have I been employed within it now for probably 20 years.

I do however understand these thing when explained, but obviously not being in the trade ask for advice and understanding of what is, these days, accepted as safe and within code.

Do I have to join a certain lodge to get straight answers around here? :p

David
 
Now you've done more than 6 posts you can add some photo's

You are correct in the fact that there are diligent, thorough sparks and those that arrive on horse back, but that's the same for any trade.

Still not sure why you are raising this??
 
Well.... If ad I say if you neighbour has a grievance with the spark that did the work shouldn'y they be discussing this with the spark

Did "they" get any certification?

They have not been given any cert, even though they were charged for it by the installing company.

I ask as I genuinely feel that code has been broken on a few things, and if not code, the spark has deviated from what would be considered as normal safe practice.

As in any confrontational situation, my neighbour wants to know where he stands with respect to the items I narrated above, before taking any "grievance" against the spark installing it.

My neighbour knows nothing about wiring of any sort, and would probably struggle to wire a plugtop.


As an aside, I did have the same spark do a periodic inspection in a flat I had rented out, and he insisted it had broken rings... when infact it had radial wiring, so you can see why I have a distrust of the guy. The flat was largely wired with pyro and it was he first time he had seen it!


David
 
I dont have a paper copy, but if I cant get a straight answer here I am sure I will find it online if that's what I need to do.

There is apparently a very big difference in this trade between what is code and whatpractitioners frequently do... it seems to be that there are many that profess to know it all but few follow it thoroughly when it comes to walking the walk....

I am asking for advice as to what is applicable in code and what outside of code is normal accepted safe practice.

How hard can you guys make this?



David

All installations should comply to a minimum standard of bs7671.

Are you part of this trade?

I would say that electricians that know the regs will install to the regs we are not all cowboys.
 

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