Kitchen wiring - please tell me if I'm wrong....

[martom]

Hi, I need your advice again

I have a flat to do: Old CU, old wires colour, kitchen radial 4mm

To do - rewire kitchen, new CU

I checked the installation, will not trip the RCD

Now the question - I would like for my peace of mind run new cable from CU for the kitchen circuit, but the kitchen is ca 15m away from CU, newly redecorated corridor, lounge ets.

Q1) Is it OK to crimp new 4mm to the old one and just rewire the kitchen?

Q2) One of the bedroom sockets is powered by a kitchen circuit. Is it al-right by regulation?
Thanks
Tom

 

[jase]

If the existing kitchen wire is in 4mm then there must be a socket or spur which is the first point in that circuit, why not just put a socket there and carry on the radial to the rest of the sockets/spurs in new 4mm, no crimping required then. I would just disconnect the existing 4 mm at both ends and do an IR and Continuity test before using it.

 

[martom]

If the existing kitchen wire is in 4mm then there must be a socket or spur which is the first point in that circuit, why not just put a socket there and carry on the radial to the rest of the sockets/spurs in new 4mm, no crimping required then. I would just disconnect the existing 4 mm at both ends and do an IR and Continuity test before using it.

There is a first socket, but by the new kitchen layout - it will be behind gas hob, that’s why I want to crimp wires

Yes - I tried to explain that I have done death tests and the installation passed - The RCD will operate properly when installed

 

[trev]

Your terminology worries me Martom, a lot.

 

[martom]

Your terminology worries me Martom, a lot.

Adam I promise I'll go to school to work on my language skills. But yeah just realised dead and death difference

 

[trev]

Adam I promise I'll go to school to work on my language skills. But yeah just realised dead and death difference

I'm not Adam, I think you have more to work on than your language skills mate. I'm really not trying to rain on your parade here, make sure you know exactly what you're doing before you start the work or you could be opening up a world of heartache for yourself.

 

[martom]

I'm not Adam, I think you have more to work on than your language skills mate. I'm really not trying to rain on your parade here, make sure you know exactly what you're doing before you start the work or you could be opening up a world of heartache for yourself.

I'm sorry Trev, my mistake - really don't know where I took "Adam" from.
Thanks for the warning, very kind of you. I know what I am doing in term of electricity, I don't try to send the current in the other direction I've just done qualifications, study etc in a different country, where the wiring regulations are really different to your ones.
Thanks a lot,
Tom

 

[Darkwood]

A few pointers im gathering from the general feel of this thread is you have studied in a different country and whether you are qualified in said country is here nor there if they dont adhere to the 17th edition then you should either be shaperoned with a qualified electrician or notify building control of your intent to wire a special location and have them inspect your work is up to standards, as a special location and by the level of your questioning is either beyond your level of experience or you confusion with the country you were qualified in against our own standards, either of these situations would mean you are attempting to do work you are not qualified to do and/or is a little bit beyond your understanding regarding the 17th regs.

This is just the feel of the thread and im happy to be corrected if i have assumed wrong but i would ask what recognised qualifications (17th edition) you have to do a kitchen rewire and board change as you relate to learning and qualifying elsewhere?

Try not to read as a dig at you knowledge as you haven't given me reason to doubt your competence of what you have learned but im concerned you lack the regulation knowledge of this country thus you shouldn't be doing this work without a fully qualified guide or instructor and someone will need to inspect and sign off your work.

 

[martom]

Dear Darkwood, thanks for your time. In fact - I am allowed to do this work in the UK. In fact I have BS7671, part P, 2392 and half way through to my NVQ. I have as well my testers which I use (calibration up to date)
Even I have public liability insurance for customers and your peace of mind
I'm sorry because of the low level of my questions,
btw Kitchen is not a special location any more I think.

 

[Darkwood]

As i said you haven't any reason to doubt your competence but was just wondering with re' to the questions whether it was just confusion of trying to juggle 2 sets of different regulations in your head or you were out of your depth but as you have clarified the latter is not the case.

Re' the special location been dropped from a Kitchen now thats something your teaching me if its true but i would be supprised as this is the very location that caused the introduction of the regulations in the first place when an MP's daughter was killed and a botched overall of the industry was made (PART P) as we know it.

 

[kingeri]

I'm not Adam, I think you have more to work on than your language skills mate. I'm really not trying to rain on your parade here, make sure you know exactly what you're doing before you start the work or you could be opening up a world of heartache for yourself.

Listen Adam, stop poking your nose in.

 

[Octopus]

Dear Darkwood, thanks for your time. In fact - I am allowed to do this work in the UK. In fact I have BS7671, part P, 2392 and half way through to my NVQ. I have as well my testers which I use (calibration up to date)
Even I have public liability insurance for customers and your peace of mind
I'm sorry because of the low level of my questions,
btw Kitchen is not a special location any more I think.

Are you registered with a scheme?

 

[Richard Burns]

A kitchen is not a special location in the wiring regulations
however it is a special installation in the building regulations

 

[kingeri]

Kitchens are no longer technically special locations to my knowledge but are pretty much treated as such under Part P for notification purposes. That's how I understand it, but please correct me if I'm talking carp!

Edit: Damn you RB.....you're too quick!

 

[martom]

Thanks for your reply, its good you take care who does installations as we know - electricity kills.
I'm confident, I am safe, just confused about regs.
This is a list of special locations by the 17th:

Special locations and installations (5):

Locations containing a bath tub or shower basin
Swimming pools or paddling pools
Hot air saunas
Electric floor or ceiling heating systems
Garden lighting or power installations
Solar photovoltaic (PV) power supply systems
Small scale generators such as micro-CHP units
Extra-low voltage lighting installations, other than pre-assembled, CE-marked lighting sets

 

[Octopus]

Thanks for your reply, its good you take care who does installations as we know - electricity kills.
I'm confident, I am safe, just confused about regs.
This is a list of special locations by the 17th:

Special locations and installations (5):

Locations containing a bath tub or shower basin
Swimming pools or paddling pools
Hot air saunas
Electric floor or ceiling heating systems
Garden lighting or power installations
Solar photovoltaic (PV) power supply systems
Small scale generators such as micro-CHP units
Extra-low voltage lighting installations, other than pre-assembled, CE-marked lighting sets

Are you registered with a scheme?

Do you understand the regulations concerning Part P?