Kitchen wiring

[Stroppy]

I admit kitchen cupboards are relatively flimsy, but as they are attached to the wall, and each other, and have a worktop stuck on top of them, which itself is bonded to the wall, they surely qualify as immovable permanent structures. Its not like trying to put fixed wiring in a free-standing bedside cabinet which can be moved around by the householder.

 

[Heisenberg]

I'm 100% right!! Contact the consumer rights people (can't remember the official name) or a consumer specialised solicitor. They will confirm what i'm saying is 100% legally correct.

The only way they can void a warranty for removing a factory fitted plug top, is if the connection method doesn't comply with the Codes/Reg's of the country concerned. eg, a dangerous DIY lash up tape job, or connected (via plug top/FCU) with maybe the polarity reversed etc!! ...lol!!

It is normally the authorized service agents that come out with all this crap, not the actual manufacturers. The only reason manufacturers provided a plug-top (moulded or otherwise) in the first place, is because of the EU regulation stating that all appliances must be supplied with a suitable plug top corresponding to the country of final destination!! Contacting the manufacturers direct, or as a last resort a solicitors letter to the service agent etc, will always change their mind pretty dam fast!!

An appliance manufacturer or it's agents cannot circumvent recognised/official codes/Regulations within a given country to suit themselves. They can recommend or even stipulate RCD protection in some cases, they can stipulate a minimum cable/flex size, installation positions etc, but that's about it... It's the same with BS 1362 fuses, it's often stated here that manufacturers state the appliance must be protected by a such and such rated fuse. This can only apply to the size of flexible cable, not to the appliance itself!! BS 1362 fuses are not and never have been designed for the protection of appliances!!

Everything you've said is 100% sound. Unfortunately, as far too many of us know, being on the legal side of a situation is in no way a guarantee of still not getting shafted. Solicitor's letters are all well and good but last time I checked they don't send them out gratis :nonod: and who really wants to spend all the required time arguing back and forth with a supplier, which we both know is what will happen.

At the very least I would make the customer aware of the possibility of future problems, and then let them decide. They can then make any necessary enquiries and you'd be covered.

Cheers

 

[Engineer54]

That was stated as the last resort!!

If you check that warranty you posted again, it quite clearly states in so many words, that both the manufacturer and the customers rights shall be in accordance with the laws of the UK, and further on, that nothing in that warranty will negate your statutory rights!!

All i can say is, if you or your customers are prepared to get shafted by a service agent, by allowing them to take away your legal consumer rights, then more fool you!!

 

[Heisenberg]

That was stated as the last resort!!

If you check that warranty you posted again, it quite clearly states in so many words, that both the manufacturer and the customers rights shall be in accordance with the laws of the UK, and further on, that nothing in that warranty will negate your statutory rights!!

All i can say is, if you or your customers are prepared to get shafted by a service agent, by allowing them to take away your legal consumer rights, then more fool you!!

People in the 'legal right' get shafted on a daily basis and sometimes the only sensible option is to admit defeat. The really foolish thing to do would be to refuse to accept that fact and keep banging on...

 

[Engineer54]

People in the 'legal right' get shafted on a daily basis and sometimes the only sensible option is to admit defeat. The really foolish thing to do would be to refuse to accept that fact and keep banging on...

And why you will always continually get shafted!!

 

[Heisenberg]

And why you will always continually get shafted!!

Yes, and I'm admiting defeat now..... I see your desire to have the last word, has not diminished with the New Year (well our NY anyway, not yours :chinese: ).

Long may it continue.

:devilish:

 

[Stocksie]

I've read it all and I must say I advise grid switch or FCU but will do isolation and fusing in units.
The unit are substantially attached to the fabric of the building but it is a (kitchen fitter job)
I just had a heated discussion with a client over this and had to buckle. I even told him to search this site as credence to my argument.
I did do a 20K = kitchen a few month ago, Crabtree Platinum flatplate satin chrome, 20 D.P. switch plates for 2 ovens and grid for other appliances all engraved with white lettering. It really did look the BIZ. 20A flex outlets behind integrated appliances.
I wired the ring to take into account balancing theload on the kegs.

Jobs a "goodun" :bucktooth:

 

[IanHug]

That was stated as the last resort!!

If you check that warranty you posted again, it quite clearly states in so many words, that both the manufacturer and the customers rights shall be in accordance with the laws of the UK, and further on, that nothing in that warranty will negate your statutory rights!!

All i can say is, if you or your customers are prepared to get shafted by a service agent, by allowing them to take away your legal consumer rights, then more fool you!!

Legal protection in respect of the manufacturers warranty (EU 2 yrs minimum) and an insurance based extended warranty are different (extended warranties can make requirements of the customer that the original warranty can't) and this may be different again from the conditions contained in a service plan. Difficult to see how cutting a plug off can void a warranty - they would need to show it was related to the fault but it may mean they can refuse to take it away / service it as it would need wiring work and they may be able to say that you need to disconnect / reconnect it - nothing that most homeowners can't sort with a screwdriver but some may not be able / willing.

 

[Engineer54]

Legal protection in respect of the manufacturers warranty (EU 2 yrs minimum) and an insurance based extended warranty are different (extended warranties can make requirements of the customer that the original warranty can't) and this may be different again from the conditions contained in a service plan. Difficult to see how cutting a plug off can void a warranty - they would need to show it was related to the fault but it may mean they can refuse to take it away / service it as it would need wiring work and they may be able to say that you need to disconnect / reconnect it - nothing that most homeowners can't sort with a screwdriver but some may not be able / willing.

No warranty can take away your statutory rights, ...full stop!! They can print whatever they like on the paperwork, it won't be worth the paper it's written on, if it contravenes your consumer rights

 

[Ram Bhandary]

think about the islolation when needed!

 

[IanHug]

No warranty can take away your statutory rights, ...full stop!! They can print whatever they like on the paperwork, it won't be worth the paper it's written on, if it contravenes your consumer rights

Nothing can take away your statutory rights but those rights can be different in different circumstances. The difference between a warranty and an extended warranty is that the later is insurance based and can contain conditions that the original warranty cannot. This is most visible on things like cars where the manufacturer cannot stipulate that they must carry out work etc during the initial warranty but the insurance based extended warranties can and often do specify that all work must be completed by an official dealer, original parts used, no modifications etc. Service plans which is what many of these electrical extended warranties may go even further.

 

[Engineer54]

Nothing can take away your statutory rights but those rights can be different in different circumstances. The difference between a warranty and an extended warranty is that the later is insurance based and can contain conditions that the original warranty cannot. This is most visible on things like cars where the manufacturer cannot stipulate that they must carry out work etc during the initial warranty but the insurance based extended warranties can and often do specify that all work must be completed by an official dealer, original parts used, no modifications etc. Service plans which is what many of these electrical extended warranties may go even further.

Don't tell me, tell the consumer rights people and see what they tell you!!

Can't for the life of me see how an extended warranty can stipulate over and above those of the recognised electrical regulations of the country concerned. The bottom line, is that no warranty can be voided on the basis of a plug top being removed and the cord being connected to an approved FCU or similar, that fully complies with the regulations of the land, in this case, the UK.


If you know different, then your welcome to prove it to us??

 

[IanHug]

Don't tell me, tell the consumer rights people and see what they tell you!!

Can't for the life of me see how an extended warranty can stipulate over and above those of the recognised electrical regulations of the country concerned. The bottom line, is that no warranty can be voided on the basis of a plug top being removed and the cord being connected to an approved FCU or similar, that fully complies with the regulations of the land, in this case, the UK.


If you know different, then your welcome to prove it to us??

The point is that the extended warranty is not a warranty, it is an insurance product / service plan and may contain terms and conditions that the warranty cannot. You will not be voiding the warranty but you may not be meeting the terms of the insurance / service plan. Doesn't stop me cutting plugs off but if the service plan says don't then you may need be willing to disconnect / reconnect the appliance for the maintenance company if they won't do it themselves.

 

[Engineer54]

The point is that the extended warranty is not a warranty, it is an insurance product / service plan and may contain terms and conditions that the warranty cannot. You will not be voiding the warranty but you may not be meeting the terms of the insurance / service plan. Doesn't stop me cutting plugs off but if the service plan says don't then you may need be willing to disconnect / reconnect the appliance for the maintenance company if they won't do it themselves.

I give up!! Do what you want!! lol!!

 

[Octopus]

Time for my coat.....