L & N at the switch

[shanky887614]

Just remember if using a connector block for neutrals it requires to be fixed to back box,
we just use wago's not fitting back can just be left loose

wrong, wago's are not mf unless there in there enclosure e.g. cable restraints used etc

so would need fixing

 

[7029 dave]

This is the way these days, but EN54 won't like it. :smile5::smile5::smile5::smile5:

 

[Andy78]

what reg. says connector block must be fixed to box?

Heard this one many times. I think it's a NICEIC assessor special.

 

[ferg]

Just don't use 16mm back boxes!

I recently went to change an fcu to a switched FCU.

Unfortunately the brand I use wouldn't fit in the existing 16mm back box.

Although to be fair neither did the original.

 

[Silly Sausage]

wrong, wago's are not mf unless there in there enclosure e.g. cable restraints used etc

so would need fixing

So why would the connection require fixing?

 

[telectrix]

wrong, wago's are not mf unless there in there enclosure e.g. cable restraints used etc

so would need fixing

more old wives cobblers. wagos must be enclosed, i agree. what is the back box if it's not an enclosure?

 

[Silly Sausage]

Shanks has come out with a few dodgy comments over the last few months.
Is someone at his work pulling his chain?!?! :smilielol5:

 

[ferg]

more old wives cobblers. wagos must be enclosed, i agree. what is the back box if it's not an enclosure?

I'm in danger of sounding like a pedantic old bugger here but..

The enclosure would have to be marked with the BS number etc to be considered an MF enclosure, hence the daft MF ties for the line enclosures.

And if its in a back box it doesn't need to be MF anyway.

The connections on the accessory are screw terminals and no extra cable restraint is required.

Pedantry over.

 

[Octopus]

more old wives cobblers. wagos must be enclosed, i agree. what is the back box if it's not an enclosure?

A box box is an open container.

A back box with a socket/switch securely fixed to it, IS an enclosure!!

 

[Leesparkykent]

wrong, wago's are not mf unless there in there enclosure e.g. cable restraints used etc

so would need fixing.

There is no requirement to secure the terminal blocks providing the cables are glanded or secured outside the enclosure using a gland or clips etc.

 

[shanky887614]

Shanks has come out with a few dodgy comments over the last few months.
Is someone at his work pulling his chain?!?! :smilielol5:

no chain pulling at work,i dont bother with neutrels at switches and if i do it goes in 20a connectorstrip.


i said it to get a reaction [emoji1]

mission accomplished

 

[Deleted member 9648]

This chestnut goes back a long way and dies hard with some...E54 being a prime case! When I started 35 years ago it was frowned upon and was actually forbidden on local authority contracts. some time in the eighties thinking began to change as nobody could come up with a valid reason as to why it was bad practice.
The bad practice brigade always state that there is no point in having a neutral at a switch as it is not required. This ignores the fact that a 3 plate lighting scheme will have a permanant live at each light...which isnt required!
They also state that neutrals at a switch will make for an unecessarily congested enclosure....this ignores the fact that a 3 plate lighting scheme will make for an unecessarily congested light!
The sensible approach is to install a circuit which best suits the requirements and install enclosures adequate for the wiring being installed.

 

[telectrix]

A box box is an open container.

A back box with a socket/switch securely fixed to it, IS an enclosure!!

that's what i said, i think.

 

[marc8]

Hi just reply to my earlier post about the wago's & the connectors this straight from the horses sorry Scam providers, last visit checked out a switch for that exact reason

 

[Leesparkykent]

Hi just reply to my earlier post about the wago's & the connectors this straight from the horses sorry Scam providers, last visit checked out a switch for that exact reason

What scam mate? NICEIC