L & N at the switch

[Simonslimline]

102 posts about a light switch, come on lads!
You will never get 2 electricians to agree on everything all of the time, different electricians do things different ways and as long as both ways are safe then there shouldn't be an issue. sometimes as sensible people we just have to agree to disagree.

This subject has been discussed multiple times over and always gets mixed opinions. At the end of the day each method has advantages and disadvantages.

Either way the circuit is going to function exactly the same and it is down to the electrician designing/installing the circuit to do so how they see fit.

I am sure there are much bigger problems going on in the world than neutrals at switches to be honest.

If it is safe and complies with BS7671 then what actually is the big issue?

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I think it's the completely illogical argument of E54 that keeps this 'debate' dragging on.He has never given a valid reason for looping in at switches being bad practice because ALL of the reasons given apply equally to looping in at lights. I've seen some appallingly congested switch boxes.....just as many times as I've seen appallingly congested light fittings.Both are due to poor design,not the wiring method employed.

 

[davesparks]

So there wouldn't be any JB's in that flat roof where several recessed fittings have been installed with looping through the switch?? Pull the other leg it's got bells on!! ....

There wouldn't be any JBs in that roof, no. What makes you think there would be? The cables will link from one light to the next all being terminated directly to the light fitting.

 

[Des 56]

In order to keep this futile thread going even longer than it deserves

I say Both systems are useless

For the sake of an enclosure on a cupboard wall,I say bring back the octopus wiring system

 

[7029 dave]

There wouldn't be any JBs in that roof, no. What makes you think there would be? The cables will link from one light to the next all being terminated directly to the light fitting.

How can you make that statement, your not there, might be jb's in roof or maybe not.

 

[Dcf]

I've just 1st fixed a early 60s prefab with a flat roof and 2" thick internal block walls.
method for lighting?
i give you the good old joint box method.
sited in the cupboard at the upstair along with the tv points as there is no attic space.
it makes 2nd fixing a doddle and was the method of choice for a good 30 years in my area
you can stick the loop in out at the lights up your arse.
it was a ****e way to wire the first time round
nothing I've read on here will change my mind on that

 

[test electrical]

Think of it t&e looped in and out of every switch and a t&e to every light and all the switches or on the central walls of a house making all your cable runs shorter ZS's better no singles and on rose's that look like a bush roll on the 18th and do away with the ring and we will all be better off for it.
Ill be retired by then when it gets easy.

 

[davesparks]

What the hell is your problem? That post was a direct response to E54's comments about looping at the switches requiring JBs in the roof space. That is why I quoted E54s post in mine, if my post had been in response to one of yours I would have quoted your post, or mentioned you by name if it was directed at or specifically concerning you.

I have at no point attempted to tell you what was or was not in the roof void in question.

 

[GMES]

Guys please try to keep the thread on track and not turn it into a slanging match.

 

[Andy78]

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[Leesparkykent]

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[Engineer54]

I think it's the completely illogical argument of E54 that keeps this 'debate' dragging on.He has never given a valid reason for looping in at switches being bad practice because ALL of the reasons given apply equally to looping in at lights. I've seen some appallingly congested switch boxes.....just as many times as I've seen appallingly congested light fittings.Both are due to poor design,not the wiring method employed.

Stated at least 3 times now that those that think looping at the switches is a good idea will still carry on regardless so it's basically down to you and people like you with your own illogical arguments that keep this thread dragging on.... Do they hell as like equally apply to looping in at the lighting positions, you don't see multiple 2 ways and intermediate cables being part of the equation within light fittings etc!!

You must be bloody blind, i've clearly stated the VALID reasons why looping through switches makes for a p***poor system. If you don't accept those reasons tough, what can i say!! lol!!

 

[Engineer54]

Think of it t&e looped in and out of every switch and a t&e to every light and all the switches or on the central walls of a house making all your cable runs shorter ZS's better no singles and on rose's that look like a bush roll on the 18th and do away with the ring and we will all be better off for it.
Ill be retired by then when it gets easy.

Now that's just about the biggest load of clap trap on the whole thread!!

 

[Knobhead]

For gods sake!

118 posts over what is after all personal preference.

I despair, I really do.

 

[GMES]

For gods sake!

118 posts over what is after all personal preference.

I despair, I really do.

The most sensible post out of 119, totally agree