Labour Leadership

[HandySparks]

Most parts are London are probably within reach of folks suitable equipped to deal with an "event" in the same way as the French did, I doubt we've got the resources anywhere else.

Bristol and Birmingham are only a short Landrover drive from Hereford. :rifle:

 

[Pete999]

Bristol and Birmingham are only a short Landrover drive from Hereford. :rifle:

Nowhere is really out of reach of Hereford if you go by Helicopter, you are right of course.

 

[Diddy]

So many members here feel that air strikes from the UK fleet will make no difference. Yet JC is an "idiot" ? The only top MP willing to say "Hey wait a minute" - A man of principals in my book. ........Yes I know he talks to devils and terrorists and is anti britian and cant recite god save the queen...and his nod wasn't deep enough.....What else ?
I think a few people have been caught in the media's fury that JC was elected leader of the Labour party.
Something I posted elsewhere the other day - Any MP who votes to go to war weather that be air strikes or boots on the ground must agree to supply the closest eligible family member to the front line after basic training - I wonder how that would effect their thinking if it were their own brother,son,father ect that was to pack their kit up and head into harms way.
Lastly these Labour MP's clamoring for war are the much the same people as sent the boys into Iraq and Afghanistan - and have almost "apologized" for their collective mistake......Of course it was that bloke Blairs fault and he's run away lol. You have to ask yourself do we/they never learn from mistakes ? Or is it ok just to keep apologizing ?

 

[sean_ork]

Bristol and Birmingham are only a short Landrover drive from Hereford. :rifle:

The bad guys would have done their worst by the time the cavalry arrived - great for the war mongers and photo journalists

 

[sean_ork]

Here's a little food for pondering

White supremacists are a bigger threat to the US than radical Islam

Let's be honest, if we made a list of the top 10 causes of death in GB, terrorism just wouldn't get a mention.

 

[HandySparks]

The bad guys would have done their worst by the time the cavalry arrived - great for the war mongers and photo journalists

True. Not much you can do after someone's walked onto a bus or tube train and blown themselves up, except pick up the pieces and care for the injured. Unless you're going to have airport style security at every railway station and bus stop we're going to have to put up with (and pay for) greater surveillance, which some won't feel comfortable with, but the alternative is worse.

 

[Pete999]

So many members here feel that air strikes from the UK fleet will make no difference. Yet JC is an "idiot" ? The only top MP willing to say "Hey wait a minute" - A man of principals in my book. ........Yes I know he talks to devils and terrorists and is anti britian and cant recite god save the queen...and his nod wasn't deep enough.....What else ?
I think a few people have been caught in the media's fury that JC was elected leader of the Labour party.
Something I posted elsewhere the other day - Any MP who votes to go to war weather that be air strikes or boots on the ground must agree to supply the closest eligible family member to the front line after basic training - I wonder how that would effect their thinking if it were their own brother,son,father ect that was to pack their kit up and head into harms way.
Lastly these Labour MP's clamoring for war are the much the same people as sent the boys into Iraq and Afghanistan - and have almost "apologized" for their collective mistake......Of course it was that bloke Blairs fault and he's run away lol. You have to ask yourself do we/they never learn from mistakes ? Or is it ok just to keep apologizing ?

Honest principles Diddy, but going war against the ISIS wouldn't, I think involve conscription, we have enough high tech weapons ans SFs to do our bit, I agree it's a difficult scenario but if we don't do anything and sit around on our behinds, we could be next in line for another bombing, we are already bombing ISIS in Iraq, can't see much difference in moving over to Syria, except for the poor Syrians they have had it rough for a long time poor devils, but in my opinion we have to say enough is enough, bite the bullet and go for it, despite the pacifists, and before anyone says "bet you wouldn't go" I have been to iffy places and was scared witless and I certainly don't want that for this country, we are after all fighting for our way of life.

 

[sean_ork]

Will bombs from British planes do anything not already being done by the bombs being dropped by numerous others over there ?

There's far more intelligent ways to defeat ISIS, and its nothing to do with pacifism.

 

[Pete999]

Will bombs from British planes do anything not already being done by the bombs being dropped by numerous others over there ?

There's far more intelligent ways to defeat ISIS, and its nothing to do with pacifism.

Go on then name some

 

[sean_ork]

Go on then name some

I've mentioned just a few previously in this thread

 

[Pete999]

I've mentioned just a few previously in this thread

Don't think so Sean, cleverer strategists than the likes of us mere mortals have been in discussions for weeks thinking of ways to sort out these extremists, I don't think denying them internet access would do the trick.

 

[sean_ork]

Don't think so Sean, cleverer strategists than the likes of us mere mortals have been in discussions for weeks thinking of ways to sort out these extremists, I don't think denying them internet access would do the trick.

Youve been a bit selective mentioning just one of the alternative ways to starve them - where are they getting the food they eat, the fuel for their new Toyota's, they appear to have an endless supply of fighters and weapons - everyone knows who is supporting them (some of whom are supposed to be our allies) - but I've said all this here before.

Perhaps you'd answer my question now, why are bombs dropped from British planes anymore effective than the masses already being dropped ?

FYI the Saudis have been using our so called smarter bombs over there for a long time, we've got nothing new to add.

Maybe we feel left out out the big boys game.

 

[Pete999]

Youve been a bit selective mentioning just one of the alternative ways to starve them - where are they getting the food they eat, the fuel for their new Toyota's, they appear to have an endless supply of fighters and weapons - everyone knows who is supporting them (some of whom are supposed to be our allies) - but I've said all this here before.

Perhaps you'd answer my question now, why are bombs dropped from British planes anymore effective than the masses already being dropped ?

FYI the Saudis have been using our so called smarter bombs over there for a long time, we've got nothing new to add.

Maybe we feel left out out the big boys game.

How do you kill a snake? chop it's head off, that's what, in my opinion is the option the UK has using the " Brimstone System" No one better that cutting the snakes head than the UK in my opinion.

 

[sean_ork]

As I've just said, the Saudis have been using them for a good while, we supplied the weapons being dropped now, we've trained the Saudis pilots how to use them - other Nations also have access to highly accurate weapons, the bomb the US dropped on that hospital was supposed to be smart - the folks guided it certainly weren't.

So, why would dropping them from our planes make any difference ?

 

[Pete999]

As I've just said, the Saudis have been using them for a good while, we supplied the weapons being dropped now, we've trained the Saudis pilots how to use them - other Nations also have access to highly accurate weapons, the bomb the US dropped on that hospital was supposed to be smart - the folks guided it certainly weren't.

So, why would dropping them from our planes make any difference ?

We could go on arguing all night long, you have you opinion and I have mine, personally I have better things to do that argue about what is our duty as an enlightened country it's not ideal, but that' s how I feel about what we should do.