Labour Manifesto

Baddegg said:
What chance have we got as a country....
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Whilst the country sits back and lets themselves be manipulated by these means, none whatsoever.
Politics has always been corrupt and influenced by others outside of politics, but now it is shamelessly in your face. "We are lying to you, people know, and we don't care because we will get away with it" seems to be the new tactic.

As long as enough people can be manipulated to hold power it does not seem to matter to those in power that their methods are known.
 
Agree, we need to bring back the Monarchy to rule properly. I think a British King could solve the Scottish issues, Brexit, corruption of MLCs and give jobs to the un-employed.
Maybe its the only way out.
How do we go back to Monarch rule ???
 
not whilst Charles is still the heir to the throne, talking to plants. .
 
Midwest said:
Yeah I’ve read it was more like £145,000, as a complete package. In his words, he said he was worth it.

Voting LD Andy, hoping for a Remain? I’ve moved on, firmly Brexit now. :)
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I'm happy to leave Midwest, but not on the Tories no deal package.

I would never vote Lib Dem again, used to vote for them tactically as I'm in a v safe Tory seat. But after 2010 that’s me finished with them.
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telectrix said:
not whilst Charles is still the heir to the throne, talking to plants. .
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I remember when Charles married Diana Tel, there was a big call for the queen to abdicate so that Charles could become king. Give it 20 or 30 years and it will be the same with William and his kid.
 
I see Labour are planning on giving £54bn to a group of WASPY women who lost out on their pensions age being raised from 60 to 65.

Would this lead to men being able to challenge this decision and claim discrimination based on gender.

Gender doesn't even exist anymore, what if the man identifies as a woman?
 
rapparee said:
I see Labour are planning on giving £54bn to a group of WASPY women who lost out on their pensions age being raised from 60 to 65.

Would this lead to men being able to challenge this decision and claim discrimination based on gender.

Gender doesn't even exist anymore, what if the man identifies as a woman?
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Makes a mockery of equality and equal rights doesn’t it...
 
And let us not forget the message the last Labour chancellor left for the incoming Conservative one.
Something like "Welcome to your job, sorry there's no money left!"
 
andyb said:
Oh, and Bob Crow never earned £120 000.
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I must apologise... I got the figure wrong ! I've just checked it and according to an interview in The Guardian from 7/2/2014 he was on a salary package of £145,000
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andyb said:
I grew up on a council estate. Back then, the 60s and 70s, the people on the estate represented a cross section of society. My neighbour worked in a factory, his neighbour had a paper shop, I remember there was a GP, my dad was a milkman and my Mum managed to get a job at the Bank of England when we were in our teens.

I think it’s for this reason that the estate was clean and the houses were kept well and the gardens cared for.
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No... you're wrong. The reason is that back in those days, if you were given a council house you considered yourself very lucky !! That's why you looked after it. These days, everyone is 'entitled' to it ! A rather different mindset.

I know this because my grandmother lived in a lovely little row of council houses for over 45 years. We knew all the neighbours... there were no GPs, no show owners, no people with money... nearly all of them were factory and farm workers... And if the gardens outside were a reflection of the way they looked after the inside, they were very well cared for.

My grandmother is long since departed... but a recent visit to reminisce about my youth was somewhat shocking ! Most gardens are now strewn with rubbish and scrapped cars ! The word 'slums' would probably not be too strong a word.

The 'entitlement culture' yet again !
 
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Zerax said:
I must apologise... I got the figure wrong ! I've just checked it and according to an interview in The Guardian from 7/2/2014 he was on a salary package of £145,000
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As you say 'salary package' this includes employers NI and pension. You said he was 'paid' £ 150 000.
You've changed it from paid to package.
Who adds enployers NI and pension when they say what they earn?


Zerax said:
No... you're wrong. The reason is that back in those days, if you were given a council house you considered yourself very lucky !! That's why you looked after it. These days, everyone is 'entitled' to it ! A rather different mindset.

The 'entitlement culture' yet again !
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That's totaly wrong, there were far more council and social houses available in the 60s and 70s.
Now less than half the amount from the early 80s. And it's very hard to get one.

I'm pretty sure there's not an entitlement culture.
 
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